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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:33 pm
 


Hyack Hyack:
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RUEZ RUEZ:
A service of rememberance is a service of peace. We remember the dead so that we can try to prevent it in the future.


Funny then that the people who are big on Remembrance Day also seem to be big on Canada getting involved in every stupid little war, even when it isn't Canada's fight.


BULLSHIT!! There are those of us who, on Remembrance Day, remember and pay homage to those who gave their lives to preserve the rights of people like you who take great pleasure on crapping on anything and everything military. How you can equate that to the people honouring our dead into being warmongers is beyond me.


Seriously, Hyack, who the hell do you think you're fooling?

Who are the people you see at Remembrance Day ceremonies? Do you see a lot of hippie peaceniks there?

Remembrance Day and the red poppy have been perverted into a campaign to silence dissent against our involvement in Afghanistan. The thing is nothing more than a propaganda event.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:37 pm
 


Funny Streak how we have been gathering at Cenotaphs yearly many many years before the Afghan war started, but thanks for trying to twist Rememberance day into an American/Afghan/Iraq/911 conspiracy thread. Yada Yada Yada.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 3:46 pm
 


[quote="Streaker"]

Seriously, STREAKER who the hell do YOU think you're fooling?

You remind me exactly of those 'shit STREAKS my little doggy leaves on the carpet when he is wiping his ass. They are of no consequence either as they are easily rubbed out!


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:01 pm
 


Streaker Streaker:
A little more food for thought:


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WHITE POPPIES

It is time to move from a service of remembrance to a service for peace.


THIS NOVEMBER, as every year, cathedrals, churches and chapels around Britain will hold their Services of Remembrance. Yet I, as a Christian minister, feel an increasing sense of unease at participating in these celebrations.

One reason is the way in which they confuse patriotic fervour with religion: as a Nonconformist minister I stand in a tradition which rejects formal connections between the State and the Christian faith, yet Remembrance services are an expression of the civic religion which we decry.

A second reason for my disquiet is that these services so often seem to emphasise past conflicts while barely acknowledging today’s violence. World War II finished sixty years ago and there has hardly been a day since where people have not been dying or killing others somewhere in the world, yet these tragedies are hardly mentioned. Instead of invoking a sense of horror and shame, the slaughter of the past is bathed in a rose-tinted glow of nostalgia, with the fighting men and women who died depicted almost as saints. The many civilians who died seem to get largely forgotten in these celebrations – although they were equally the victims of war.

But, above all, these services may give the impression that the churches tacitly bless warfare as a way of resolving disputes. I am aware, of course, that there are glorious exceptions to this rule at places such as Coventry Cathedral, where the craving for peaceful ways of solving differences is virtually built into its fabric. The Christian faith is one which highlights reconciliation, believing that Christ wrought peace between heaven and Earth so that his followers might, in turn, beget peace across the world. To me, the militaristic rattlings of some Christian communities – especially the most conservative – appear little short of blasphemous.

The Church has long contained ambivalent attitudes to war, as Christians, individually peace-loving, are also members of nations with the right of self-defence. Until about 170 CE, Christians refused to serve in the Roman army. In the 5th century, St Augustine was concerned to defend the Roman Empire, which he regarded as the bulwark of civilisation, from Germanic threats. He conjugated the notion of a ‘just war’, proportional in scope, confined to combatants and dedicated to the establishment of justice and peace. This concept was sadly used to legitimise the medieval Crusaders who sought to ‘liberate’ the Middle East from the rule of Islam; the repercussions of their actions are still being felt today. More recently, many British Christians who took up a pacifist position in the 1930s felt compelled to reconsider their views in the face of Nazi aggression. Today, all the major denominations have Peace Fellowships, but these rarely lie at the centre of church life.

I am well aware that many Christians from a generation older than mine see Remembrance Sunday very differently. Every year one or other of these people says to me, “Be thankful for those who fought in the War. If they hadn’t, you wouldn’t be able to speak freely today.” I recognise the truth in this argument, and I do not wish to belittle the heroism of those who fought for what they saw as a just cause. Nevertheless, it seems self-evident to me that followers of Christ the Peacemaker ought to fly in the face of the prevailing culture by affirming peace rather than war, and by challenging a worldview in which fighting for one’s corner, rather than compromise and reconciliation, is seen as the way to live.

ONE SMALL WAY in which I have tried to raise the profile of peace in churches is by promoting the sale of white poppies. These were first produced in 1933, by the Women’s Co-operative Guild, as a reminder of the horrors of war at a time when memories of the First World War were beginning to fade. Today, the small profits made from their sale fund resources for educating children in the evils of violence and the possibilities of peaceful ways of achieving justice. Those who wear these poppies demonstrate both their grief for people who are harmed by war, and their determination to see war abolished for good.

I am amazed that so many people in the churches never seem to question the annual Remembrance ritual which has become a regular, even anticipated, part of the religious calendar. Personally I would far prefer to organise alternative peace services focusing on repentance, prayer and recognition of the terrors of today’s world rather than on recollecting the past. That might be difficult; but the Remembrance services that are held should surely evoke a sense of despair at the continuing reality of war, should surely incorporate confession of our own part in the sinful world systems that lead to war, and conclude with our earnest prayers for peace to finally triumph.

White poppies are available from Peace Pledge Union, 1 Peace Passage,

London N7 0BT.

http://www.ppu.org.uk

Andrew Kleissner is an ordained Baptist Church minister in Ipswich, England


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:22 pm
 


Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:
I may hand out home-made white peace poppies to other students who want them aswell.

I support the troops. They are all great soldiers. Our accomplishments of the past were glorious. I respect our vets. And now they are at peace. It's because of them that our country is peaceful. Because of them, I'm wearing a white poppy, to hope that our country will be at peace again.


Nice ideals, unfortunately your white poppy has been hijacked by the anti-everything types. So wearing it means you disagree with the contribution our vets made to keeping us free.

You are 16.

The guys who joined up in 1939 were a whole two grades above you.

They fought and died so you could disrespect them with a white poppy.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:29 pm
 


I saw a few white poppies in Afghanistan.

I wonder, if they were grown for peace?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:33 pm
 


I can't believe that we are starting this again. Streaker, you are just a waste of skin, willing to piss on the memories of those who helped to give you the right to have these opinions. I think this quote from the onriginal article sums up people like you best:

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it symbolizes the glory of fallen soldiers, the valour and sacrifice of those who served in past wars. I believe in none of these ideals.



I see nothing about the poppy symoblizing afghanistan, war mongering or blatant militarism as you like to claim. It is simply a reminder that there are people in our past who died for this country and that we should make sure we learn from the events that led to the having to go and fight in the first place. This way their sacrifice was not in vain.


P.S. if you want to push your misguided opinions about veterans, soldiers and the military fine.....just have the decency to layoff of them for one day on the 11th and show a little class and respect for once.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 6:51 pm
 


Streaker Streaker:
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You're deluding yourself if you don't think right wingers and the CPC are particularly quick to see war as the solution to every problem.

I'd be interested to see how you came to that conclusion.


Pretty simple, really: I'm not dishonest and self-delusional like you. :P


Which seems to be some sort of code for you not being able to prove your point.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:42 pm
 


Eisensapper Eisensapper:
I saw a few white poppies in Afghanistan.

I wonder, if they were grown for peace?

They keep people pretty tranquil. Seriously this is just STREAKer composting again.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 12:21 am
 


Streaker Streaker:
I'll recycle some old Red Poppies I have lying around by painting them white.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:05 am
 


shit..getting neg reps from streaker and his ilk is the same as getting positive reps from everyone else. If he vehemently disagrees with it, you know it has to be something good and decent.


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I think Streaker is the EThug cruising for neg reps.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:08 pm
 


Yogi Yogi:

Seriously, STREAKER who the hell do YOU think you're fooling?

You remind me exactly of those 'shit STREAKS my little doggy leaves on the carpet when he is wiping his ass. They are of no consequence either as they are easily rubbed out!


Wow.... Compelling stuff there, Yogi.



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:33 pm
 


EyeBrock EyeBrock:
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A little more food for thought:


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blah, blah, blah.

Andrew Kleissner is an ordained assclown in Ipswich, England




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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 2:35 pm
 


Hey, Bart, how is your plan to assassinate President Obama coming along? :lol:


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