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10/16/05
Impeaching George Bush
By Ian Mosley


Paleo-conservative columnist Paul Craig Roberts is now taking the lead from the right side of the aisle in demanding the impeachment of President George W. Bush for lying us into a pointless and bloody war in Iraq and other acts of stunning incompetence. Some conservatives by now feel so betrayed by Bush that they are also trying to get an impeachment bandwagon rolling. (One Democrat John Conyers has been pushing for an impeachment for years, but the press has largely ignored him.) Critics point out, correctly, that Bush’s disastrous predecessor, the atrocious Bill Clinton, was impeached over much less. They claim that Clinton’s cavorting in the Oval Office with Monica Lewinsky at least didn’t get anybody killed. (Actually, that scandal may have caused the war on Serbia as a distraction, but that’s another long story.)

Is impeachment the best solution to the Dubya problem? Not really. In a best case scenario, we could impeach Bush, Cheney and enough people in the line of succession until we get down to someone, who is not part of the neocon cabal. That person would (hopefully) be intimidated enough to pull our troops out of Iraq. At least that would solve one problem, but the political cancer caused by the Israeli dominance of our government along with the corporate vultures of Halliburton would be lurking in the shadows waiting to start yet another war.

If we only impeach Bush, Dick Cheney emerges from his Undisclosed Location, steps forward, and assumes in public the power which he has been effectively wielding in private for the past five years. Cheney is sufficiently stubborn and evil to keep the Iraq War going even if Bush is impeached over that. Cheney’s only concern in life is making billions for Halliburton and his old business cronies. While it may be possible to impeach or simultaneously prosecute the entire upper level of the Bush administration, this would be unprecedented and seems a remote possibility. It’s common knowledge that Cheney and Halliburton call the shots from the corporate end of things in Washington just like the neocons and their magazines like Weekly Standard and Front Page call the shots ideologically. Bush is nothing but a drunken sock puppet for whoever’s turn it is that day to handle him.

George W. Bush is in fact a powerless figurehead, who is up there for the purpose of taking the heat for the sinister interests and people who actually hold and exercise power behind the scenes. Bush has no will and no real views of his own. He is notorious for parroting back the views of whomever the last person to speak to him was; this is one reason why he is kept so isolated and only a few carefully selected neocons actually have access to the President. If David Duke could sit down with George Bush for an hour and talk to him free of interference, Bush would likely come out for White Civil Rights at his next press conference.

Impeaching Bush will not change things because he does not in fact wield the power of the Presidency. Dick Cheney and a small oligarchy of Zionist neocons do. An impeachment would be a nice gesture, and the show trial would create a kind of national forum for the nation to explore just how the hell we got into Iraq, but for that very reason, an impeachment will never be allowed. The Republicans still dominate the House and Senate and the Israeli lobby still exerts enormous control. Israel wants us to occupy Iraq for as long as possible. The fact that we were lied into the war is unlikely to blossom into an impeachment since the lies were created to benefit Israel. Our problem is systemic: it is with the very institutions that govern us and with the corporate super-rich and Zionist ideologues who control those institutions. It is not enough to bring down one man who is nothing but a sock-puppet for the neocons. We need to go for the puppet masters.

[align=right] Altermedia News U.S.A [/align]

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:08 am
 


It's about time more conservatives started noticing the stench emanating from the Patriot Act, the skyrocketing deficit, the War on Error and Junior's Gay Marriage to Vincente Fox and Israel --

Zogby's Poll on impeachment says 42% support impeachment of Bush IF (lol) it's proven that he lied us into war. (Only 41% supported impeaching Clinton.)

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1007

http://www.impeachbush.tv/impeach/


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:40 am
 


I think you should list the name of ever conservative who wants to impeach George Bush.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 5:14 am
 


I think whoever is talkin about impeaching Bush needs to get their head checked.

Simple.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:49 pm
 


Bannonjr Bannonjr:
I think whoever is talkin about impeaching Bush needs to get their head checked.

Simple.


I agree, apart from Zod, GWB is the man, the man who will put a hole in every pot.

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Jusin Jusin:
Bannonjr Bannonjr:
I think whoever is talkin about impeaching Bush needs to get their head checked.

Simple.


I agree, apart from Zod, GWB is the man, the man who will put a hole in every pot.

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So that's what people are calling a terrorist's head these days? Pot?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:55 pm
 


Isn't this getting a little carried away, with American politics on a Canadian forum? We're not going to impeach our president because we don't have a president.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:57 pm
 


U.S politics are more fun.


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At least for now. Wait until the Gomery report comes out. Then things will get interesting up here again.


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Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:
Isn't this getting a little carried away, with American politics on a Canadian forum? We're not going to impeach our president because we don't have a president.


we just fooling around


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xerxes xerxes:
At least for now. Wait until the Gomery report comes out. Then things will get interesting up here again.


nah, the whole sponsorship scandal is old, and from the start was rather gay. Although I am intrested to see any new results that we may not have seen already.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:40 pm
 


Tman1 Tman1:
U.S politics are more fun.

We've developed bullshit into an art! :lol:


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$1:
U.S politics are more fun.


Not really. The presidential stuff is fun, but overall their politics are dull and slow-moving. Can you imagine Bush having to survive through Question Period? Can you imagine any US politican facing a hostile press scrum?

For politics as spectator sport, Britain and Canada lead the way.


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xerxes xerxes:
At least for now. Wait until the Gomery report comes out. Then things will get interesting up here again.


Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that nothing will come of it? :?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:46 am
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
xerxes xerxes:
At least for now. Wait until the Gomery report comes out. Then things will get interesting up here again.


Why do I have a sneaking suspicion that nothing will come of it? :?


Depends what you mean about nothing. I just heard on the radio this morn that it will come out shortly and is expectd to show that Martin was not involved. I assume if it does then a great many people will dismiss it as self-serving garbage. It will either kick off a renewed and possibly unstoppable conservative gov't in the next (soon) election or it will strengthen the Libs but further disenfranchise certain western sentiments. To be honest I can't imagine any real outcome that won't cause turmoil. Its sad really. No offense Bart, but right now Canada needs someone like Clinton who was always a friend with kind words and could very possibly lessen the outcome regardless of the gomery decision. Perhaps thats why he spoke in London, ON yesterday.


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