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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:04 pm
 


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EDMONTON (CP) - The United States will be using Blackhawk helicopters and planes along the Montana border with Alberta and Saskatchewan to watch for terrorists, drug-runners and illegal immigrants.
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The aircraft will be equipped with cutting-edge photographic surveillance and monitoring equipment to watch for any suspicious activity, a spokesman for Montana Republican Senator Conrad Burns said Friday. Matt Mackowiak said the beefed-up border security comes in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the U.S.

"(Sept. 11) taught us a lot, and the northern border requires greater security and greater surveillance," Mackowiak said from Washington, D.C.

"I think the Congress, the administration and the American people are committed to making sure we are doing everything we can to protect America."

This is the third of five special surveillance units to open along the U.S. border with Canada. The air unit will be based in Great Falls, Mont.

Last year, Burns secured an $18-million US appropriation from the Department of
Homeland Security for the Montana air unit, putting it ahead of schedule by one year. It's expected to start operations this summer.

The air border patrol is intended to provide a rapid response in the event of another terrorist attack, Mackowiak said.

Apart from terrorists, the aircraft will be used for drug enforcement and immigration control.

Mackowiak called it a win-win situation, saying increased border security benefits both countries.

But any time there is increased surveillance there are civil liberties and privacy concerns, he acknowledged.

"We are not trying to interrupt the honest flow of goods and services and commerce between Montana and Canada," Mackowiak said. "It's in everyone's interest to facilitate as much of that as possible."

Canadian officials had little comment about the U.S. plan.

"Canada recognizes that every country has the right to protect its borders," said Kara Prest, a spokeswoman for the Canada Border Services Agency.

The first surveillance unit was announced in 2004, and has been operating out of Bellingham in Washington state. Another unit opened in upstate New York, south of the border with Quebec.

Mackowiak said both of those units have intercepted large drug shipments and have made arrests.

The U.S. also plans to set up air border patrols in North Dakota and Michigan in the future.

The government operates similar patrols along the U.S.-Mexico border.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060204 ... ir_patrols

So, we got the controversial wall, controversy over identity cards, walking armed American patrols, armed American border guards, a partridge in a pear tree, and how armed choppers and fighter jets. In normal circumstances, that would be an aggressive act of war doing that along borders but I can understand the US' plight. Be careful you don't have your windows blacked up, speed, or stop when they all of a sudden shoot at you in warning of being a potential terrorist. I guess Canadians are just like Mexicans, trying to border jump. I wonder what would be next?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 8:10 pm
 


world's longest undefended border? well maybe on Canada's side it is.


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It says they are equipped with "cutting-edge photographic surveillance and monitoring equipment". Its not like they're equipped with smart bombs or hellfire missiles...


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I don't think we think Canadians are like Mexicans..and I don't think we are trying to keep Canadians out..I think one could guess that a person not of North American Decent..may just attract a little more attention, than Joe Blow Canadian and family coming down for a weekend to get away, shop etc..just making sure the bad guys know we are watching..


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Tman what they do on their side of the border is their business. I welcome it because it removes the option of blaming us when some shit-head crosses and blows something up. It means they dropped the ball and didn't detain/arrest him.

By the way it could only be construed as an act of war IF they cross the border!


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As long as these forces stay on our side of the border, then what concern is it of yours?

If you folks rolled a whole armoured division up to White Rock I might come up to have a look-see and chat up the guys, but I wouldn't presume to bitch about what you do in your own country.


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Bart most people on this site couldn't tell the difference from an IFV or a MBT! 8O The think any military display is an act of war! PDT_Armataz_01_40


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
As long as these forces stay on our side of the border, then what concern is it of yours?

If you folks rolled a whole armoured division up to White Rock I might come up to have a look-see and chat up the guys, but I wouldn't presume to bitch about what you do in your own country.
I agree. Just trying to be careful, especially after there has been a new threat...


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Although I understand why americans are doing this I also understand the hurt feelings we get. It is very aggressive to arm a border like that but its cleary not an act of war. I think we should just wake up to the fact that other than our resources and successful companies the US dosn't like anymore than next door neighbours.


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Tman what they do on their side of the border is their business. I welcome it because it removes the option of blaming us when some shit-head crosses and blows something up. It means they dropped the ball and didn't detain/arrest him.

By the way it could only be construed as an act of war IF they cross the border!


The trouble is they do? There have been many instances with the US invading Canada with military assets for 1 reason or another.

Are you familiar with the broken arrow (lost nuke) incident that was lost in the rockies? Technically that was an invasion and frankly the idea of the US losing nukes in Canada is a frightening prospect.


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
Bart most people on this site couldn't tell the difference from an IFV or a MBT! 8O The think any military display is an act of war! PDT_Armataz_01_40


We have them down here, too. :roll:


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2Cdo 2Cdo:
Tman what they do on their side of the border is their business. I welcome it because it removes the option of blaming us when some shit-head crosses and blows something up. It means they dropped the ball and didn't detain/arrest him.

By the way it could only be construed as an act of war IF they cross the border!


The trouble is they do? There have been many instances with the US invading Canada with military assets for 1 reason or another.

Are you familiar with the broken arrow (lost nuke) incident that was lost in the rockies? Technically that was an invasion and frankly the idea of the US losing nukes in Canada is a frightening prospect.


I hate to say this and kick a can of worms, but if we were to invade it would be with much more than a few helicopters and some overrated police officers...or are you saying that such a force constitutes a threat to Canada?

If so, then you REALLY need to chip in a few more bucks on your military!


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Just so long as they don't disturb the flight paths of migratory birds.... :wink:


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
DerbyX DerbyX:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Tman what they do on their side of the border is their business. I welcome it because it removes the option of blaming us when some shit-head crosses and blows something up. It means they dropped the ball and didn't detain/arrest him.

By the way it could only be construed as an act of war IF they cross the border!


The trouble is they do? There have been many instances with the US invading Canada with military assets for 1 reason or another.

Are you familiar with the broken arrow (lost nuke) incident that was lost in the rockies? Technically that was an invasion and frankly the idea of the US losing nukes in Canada is a frightening prospect.


I hate to say this and kick a can of worms, but if we were to invade it would be with much more than a few helicopters and some overrated police officers...or are you saying that such a force constitutes a threat to Canada?

If so, then you REALLY need to chip in a few more bucks on your military!


No. Just like in the thread with the minuteman I think that what you decide to do with regards to border security is your buisness as long as it doesn't impact on our side.

As for the invasion, it doesn't need to be an entire division to be called that.

If another country flew nukes over your airspace without telling you, lost it and then sent a military force to retreive it all on the QT what would you say?


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DerbyX DerbyX:
2Cdo 2Cdo:
Tman what they do on their side of the border is their business. I welcome it because it removes the option of blaming us when some shit-head crosses and blows something up. It means they dropped the ball and didn't detain/arrest him.

By the way it could only be construed as an act of war IF they cross the border!


The trouble is they do? There have been many instances with the US invading Canada with military assets for 1 reason or another.

Are you familiar with the broken arrow (lost nuke) incident that was lost in the rockies? Technically that was an invasion and frankly the idea of the US losing nukes in Canada is a frightening prospect.


they think that the nuke may have been dropped around queen charlotte islands.


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