[insignificant]

I say get rid of the queen and DEFINATELY GET RID OF THAT WASTE OF MONEY ADRIEN CLARKSON - $42 MIL/YEAR FOR WHAT? so she can live like a damn rock star? gimme a break!

AND SHE DOESNT PAY ANY INCOME TAXES! what a great example for the REST of us poor schmuck canadians.

[Damien]

LysPatriote LysPatriote:

And 99% of french Québecers, + 93% of italiens

Mais de quoi tu parles ? De quel droit tu viens exprimer TON opinion en NOTRE nom ? Je commence sérieusement a en avoir plein le dos de la façon avec laquelle tu nous tourne en ridicule. Si tu veux exprimer ton opinion vas-y, mais fait le et ce seulement en TON nom !

[Damien]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Well said Mustang. It looks like the Quebeckers just teach hatred of the Brits from generation to generation. They really need to get over losing in 1759.

I guess you have some facts that are proping these assumptions ? Since I'm a Québecer and nobody has ever teached me to hate the brits.

[BartSimpson]

And 100% of HRH The Queen doesn't give a s*it.

[Tman1]

PeterFinn PeterFinn:

And 100% of HRH The Queen doesn't give a s*it.

Agreed.

[JackD]

$1:

It looks like the Quebeckers just teach hatred of the Brits from generation to generation. They really need to get over losing in 1759

And the Brits really need to get over winning in 1759.

[Tman1]

JackD JackD:

$1:

It looks like the Quebeckers just teach hatred of the Brits from generation to generation. They really need to get over losing in 1759

And the Brits really need to get over winning in 1759.

Why? Its the truth. Why get over the truth? Its called a part of history. You read about it in books, textbooks, would you tell those historians to "get over it"?

[MNF]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

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Multiculturism showing that incoming cultures don’t value Canadian culture?

Italian-Canadians are an "incoming culture"?! A significant Italian presence in this country dates back to about a century ago, and immigration from Italy has been miniscule for the past 35 years. Yet they're just a bunch of recent immigrants who don't share Canadian values...oh wait, the vast majority were born here and don't speak Italian.

One doesn't hear the "dual loyalty" charge directed against Italian-Canadians very much these days (as was common during the 1920s and 1930s when Mussolini was in power). These "dual loyalty" charges are kind of ironic, given that many people on this board seem to think Canada should be subordinate to England because that's "our history."

[rgmontal]

Canadians,

Australia had this very same debate a few years ago. The only thing that stopped it was the model that our gloriously reticent PM John Howard purported via a referendum to the Australian people.

The model he purported would be almost the same as the one we have now for the GG, except that our PM would appoint our President rather than we popularly and preferentially voting for him/her. The question was loaded against it coming into fruition since John Howard is so monarchist it's blindingly repulsive. (I'm guessing you guys know that I don't like my PM very much ...)

It is well known that 90% of Australians want to become a republic. It is something openly discussed, and most Australians according to a poll done before the referendum supported us becoming a republic but with the people preferentially voting in the President. It is agreed that the President's office would have to be completely independent and more or less powerless.

I respect the opinions of the Monarchists. They do have a point: if it ain't broke, don't fix it. (By the way, "ain't" is never used in Australian English, it's quite a strange word for us). But from what I've read here, there's lots that broken and there's lots that could be fixed. Our combined currencies are worthless in Europe. That's because of our economic positions, not because of who's on the currency. I mean, the Queen is on the British's pound, and their currency is so unbelievably strong that London's prices, to an Aussie or a Canuck are horrifyingly bad. Simple rule: British pound price x 3 = CAD/AUD equivalent. ARGH!

Being a republic does not mean you have to lose Commonwealth membership.

BTW: it took Lonely Planet (a famous Australian travel guide publishing group) seven arduous pages to describe the current situation in Québec. It had to tell a really long story to get there. But at least it's summation is up-beat, well sort-of ...

[EyeBrock]

Nobody suggests that any other culture or nationality should be subordinate to England (its actually the UK, England is one country in the Kingdom).

Canada was a creation of the British, whether you like that or not.
Our history and culture has been linked to the UK and to a lesser extent (up until 1759) with France.

British North America was just that and those foundations stood until PET replaced the BNA with the (Canada) Constitution Act of 1982.
Prior to this there had been a movement by stealth to cut ties and links with the UK, and this continues unabated.

I’m no royalist but it pains me to see the contribution of Brits, Irish, the United Empire Loyalists and others just ignored or deleted in a headlong rush to forget our history.
A new arrival to Canada would think the country was formed in the 1960’s the way history is ignored.

My view is that I respect the culture of new Canadians, new Canadians should respect the history and culture of Canada and that includes our founding and formation as a country, which owes a great deal to the British.
Ignoring this fact as many Canadians do, especially the "hyphenated" ones is to bury you head in the sand of history.


I’ve never heard of British-Canadians or English-Canadians? Maybe we just integrate better?
If Italian –Canadians have been here in large numbers for a hundred years, should they not be Canadians? If I wanted to hyphenate I could be Irish-English-Norman-Angle-Celtic-Welsh-Roman-Canadian. How silly would that look?

Canadians have British heritage. You can’t change that with out a rewrite of history.

[hwacker]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Nobody suggests that any other culture or nationality should be subordinate to England (its actually the UK, England is one country in the Kingdom).

Canada was a creation of the British, whether you like that or not.
Our history and culture has been linked to the UK and to a lesser extent (up until 1759) with France.

British North America was just that and those foundations stood until PET replaced the BNA with the (Canada) Constitution Act of 1982.
Prior to this there had been a movement by stealth to cut ties and links with the UK, and this continues unabated.

I’m no royalist but it pains me to see the contribution of Brits, Irish, the United Empire Loyalists and others just ignored or deleted in a headlong rush to forget our history.
A new arrival to Canada would think the country was formed in the 1960’s the way history is ignored.

My view is that I respect the culture of new Canadians, new Canadians should respect the history and culture of Canada and that includes our founding and formation as a country, which owes a great deal to the British.
Ignoring this fact as many Canadians do, especially the "hyphenated" ones is to bury you head in the sand of history.


I’ve never heard of British-Canadians or English-Canadians? Maybe we just integrate better?
If Italian –Canadians have been here in large numbers for a hundred years, should they not be Canadians? If I wanted to hyphenate I could be Irish-English-Norman-Angle-Celtic-Welsh-Roman-Canadian. How silly would that look?

Canadians have British heritage. You can’t change that with out a rewrite of history.

Your right EyeBrock but some in this country are trying to change what Canada has been and defiantly what it's going to be.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock;



I have had this discussion with British friends. I say I'm a proud Canadian who doesn't think of himself as British but I respect the roots of my country. The Queen has always been good to Canada and represents a tradition for Canada. The Italian-Canadians should realize that the monarchy is part of Canadian tradition and rspect it. Too many immigrants view our respect for foreign cultures as a way for them to replace ours with theirs.

[EyeBrock]

Cheers Hwacker and Derby. Too many people are in a headlong rush to erase OUR culture and heritage and replace it with a vague and fuzzy view of what being Canadian is.
The social historians and proponents of multicult would have us believe that PET invented Canada in 1968. I believe that a lot of the links to our British past have been removed so as not to offend Quebec, but all we have done is muddy the waters of our national identity. As I’ve said before, I’m no tub-thumping royalist, but it is a link to our past. The GG costs no more than a figure-head president would cost. We pay nothing to the Brit royal family.

We do benefit from the political system the Brits set up, apart from the fact that they built this country, with US refugees, the First Nations and the odd helpful French guy.
The rest of the world came later, and up until the 1960’s, these immigrants respected the British North American heritage of Canada.
Then came the Quebec problem and multiculturism, and we all know the rest.

On a final note,

Brits become Canadians, they are never hyphenated. Remember nearly 70% of the Canadian Expeditionary Force that ended up at Vimy Ridge were born in the British Isles. They didn't join the British army, they joined the Canadian army.

[DerbyX]

My grandfather, from Quebec, always taught his children that they weren't french-canadian or english-canadian but Canadian! I have 6 francophone aunts & uncles and only 1 uncle is a "seperatist" and he converted for a women! We need to show that teaching immigrants about "Canadian" culture and background is not disrespecting thiers!

[Tman1]

Maybe its time for our OWN traditions and future instead of worrying what the Queen thinks. People can move on in the future and still remain true to our history and heritage. Nobody is forgetting it or denying it, it is what it is, it remains in history books so others can remember.