[Zipperfish]

He got caught? How could he not "get caught"? It wasn't like he was surreptitiously taped. He said it in a TV interview. Duh.

[Regina]

The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree in this case. Old Mr. Fuddle Duddle flipped the bird out west too.

[Zipperfish]

Well, at the risk of further regionalism, I'm not so sure you can lump BC in wiht Alberta as "The West." As the brouhaha over the proposed pipeline to Kitimat shows, there's a diverging cultural mindset between BC and Alberta.

[jj2424]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, at the risk of further regionalism, I'm not so sure you can lump BC in wiht Alberta as "The West." As the brouhaha over the proposed pipeline to Kitimat shows, there's a diverging cultural mindset between BC and Alberta.

BC will be forgotten soon. With Obama poised to approve the XL pipeline and the flow reversed in the eastern pipelines... Chinese investment which is championed by Harper and Trudeau. Washington state growing it's own pot. New NDP government.
Albertans flocking to Arizona instead of BC.

BC is fucked.

Last one to leave BC turn out the lights.

[Unsound]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Really? Browse through the forums and you'll see plenty of it from all the non politicians posting here.

I would argue that a lot of it is political differnces masquerading as regional differences, but because the politicians have brainwashed us to see everything through the prism of regionalism we generally only remember the opinions that feed into our preconceptions. Pre0conceptions that are created, or atleast perpetuated, by politicians who find it easier to win votes by pitting us against eachother than by unifying us behind them.

How many people still think that Alberta is full of right wing conservative bible bashers? Yet here at CKA, I would say the majority of Albertan posters are centrist. Tha majority of people I know here, who have political opinions, are centrist, yet we fall for all the same stuff about how everything will be stolen from us by the leftists down east that we keep electing conservative polticians to protect ourselves.

I would also argue that on the level of us normal people a lot of the "regionalism" is more on the level of family teasing eachother. I'm a fairly proud Albertan but I've enjoyed every part of this country that I've been to, and have gad friends from just about every part of this country. We're pretty much all the same at bottom. Except for those pot-smoking granola eating soap-dodging pipe-line blocking hippies on the west coast. Fuck those guys

[Zipperfish]

jj2424 jj2424:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, at the risk of further regionalism, I'm not so sure you can lump BC in wiht Alberta as "The West." As the brouhaha over the proposed pipeline to Kitimat shows, there's a diverging cultural mindset between BC and Alberta.

BC will be forgotten soon. With Obama poised to approve the XL pipeline and the flow reversed in the eastern pipelines... Chinese investment which is championed by Harper and Trudeau. Washington state growing it's own pot. New NDP government.
Albertans flocking to Arizona instead of BC.

BC is fucked.

Last one to leave BC turn out the lights.

Yes Albertans flocking to Arizona insetad of BC will surely be our end.

[Gunnair]

jj2424 jj2424:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, at the risk of further regionalism, I'm not so sure you can lump BC in wiht Alberta as "The West." As the brouhaha over the proposed pipeline to Kitimat shows, there's a diverging cultural mindset between BC and Alberta.

BC will be forgotten soon. With Obama poised to approve the XL pipeline and the flow reversed in the eastern pipelines... Chinese investment which is championed by Harper and Trudeau. Washington state growing it's own pot. New NDP government.
Albertans flocking to Arizona instead of BC.

BC is fucked.

Last one to leave BC turn out the lights.

Thanks, Trit. The drama queen posts are amazing!

[Gunnair]

Unsound Unsound:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Really? Browse through the forums and you'll see plenty of it from all the non politicians posting here.

I would argue that a lot of it is political differnces masquerading as regional differences, but because the politicians have brainwashed us to see everything through the prism of regionalism we generally only remember the opinions that feed into our preconceptions. Pre0conceptions that are created, or atleast perpetuated, by politicians who find it easier to win votes by pitting us against eachother than by unifying us behind them.

How many people still think that Alberta is full of right wing conservative bible bashers? Yet here at CKA, I would say the majority of Albertan posters are centrist. Tha majority of people I know here, who have political opinions, are centrist, yet we fall for all the same stuff about how everything will be stolen from us by the leftists down east that we keep electing conservative polticians to protect ourselves.

I would also argue that on the level of us normal people a lot of the "regionalism" is more on the level of family teasing eachother. I'm a fairly proud Albertan but I've enjoyed every part of this country that I've been to, and have gad friends from just about every part of this country. We're pretty much all the same at bottom. Except for those pot-smoking granola eating soap-dodging pipe-line blocking hippies on the west coast. Fuck those guys

Yeah well, the fuck those guys feeling is generally mutual, I assure you. Regionalism is very much alive and well.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, at the risk of further regionalism, I'm not so sure you can lump BC in wiht Alberta as "The West." As the brouhaha over the proposed pipeline to Kitimat shows, there's a diverging cultural mindset between BC and Alberta.

Really? I think it demonstrates how similar the provincial governments are. Where do think premier Christy Crunch would sit on the issue if Alberta were to cave in and accept her demand for royalties from the pipeline? I bet her deep seeded concerns about the environment would fade pretty fast. Besides, the pipelines are pretty much a done deal, it's just a matter of who gets paid what now.

[Gunnair]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, at the risk of further regionalism, I'm not so sure you can lump BC in wiht Alberta as "The West." As the brouhaha over the proposed pipeline to Kitimat shows, there's a diverging cultural mindset between BC and Alberta.

Really? I think it demonstrates how similar the provincial governments are. Where do think premier Christy Crunch would sit on the issue if Alberta were to cave in and accept her demand for royalties from the pipeline? I bet her deep seeded concerns about the environment would fade pretty fast. Besides, the pipelines are pretty much a done deal, it's just a matter of who gets paid what now.

Hers might but not so much the rest of BC.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Gunnair Gunnair:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Well, at the risk of further regionalism, I'm not so sure you can lump BC in wiht Alberta as "The West." As the brouhaha over the proposed pipeline to Kitimat shows, there's a diverging cultural mindset between BC and Alberta.

Really? I think it demonstrates how similar the provincial governments are. Where do think premier Christy Crunch would sit on the issue if Alberta were to cave in and accept her demand for royalties from the pipeline? I bet her deep seeded concerns about the environment would fade pretty fast. Besides, the pipelines are pretty much a done deal, it's just a matter of who gets paid what now.

Hers might but not so much the rest of BC.

Gunny, do know how many pipelines are currently planned for BC at the moment? Apache's, Enbridge's, Kinder Morgan's, Spectra's; there are 8 between just those companies alone and those are only a hand full of the ones you hear about because they are nearing the regulatory process. Spectra has all ready completed looping numerous lines down to George, in fact theres one even being built right now and most of people in BC probably don'tt even know about it. Despite all the political rhetoric we hear in the papers BC has all ready gotten to the point in its own resource development where BC itself needs these pipelines to be built and BC government knows it.

[Gunnair]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Gunnair Gunnair:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Really? I think it demonstrates how similar the provincial governments are. Where do think premier Christy Crunch would sit on the issue if Alberta were to cave in and accept her demand for royalties from the pipeline? I bet her deep seeded concerns about the environment would fade pretty fast. Besides, the pipelines are pretty much a done deal, it's just a matter of who gets paid what now.

Hers might but not so much the rest of BC.

Gunny, do know how many pipelines are currently planned for BC at the moment? Apache's, Enbridge's, Kinder Morgan's, Spectra's; there are 8 between just those companies alone and those are only a hand full of the ones you hear about because they are nearing the regulatory process. Spectra has all ready completed looping numerous lines down to George, in fact theres one even being built right now and most of people in BC probably don'tt even know about it. Despite all the political rhetoric we hear in the papers BC has all ready gotten to the point in its own resource development where BC itself needs these pipelines to be built and BC government knows it.

Northern Gateway is near dead and the second Kinder Morgan is losing support....quickly. Others are also garnering negative attention and it's growing.

Assuming it's just political rhetoric is....short sighted at best.

[dino_bobba_renno]

Gunnair Gunnair:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Gunny, do know how many pipelines are currently planned for BC at the moment? Apache's, Enbridge's, Kinder Morgan's, Spectra's; there are 8 between just those companies alone and those are only a hand full of the ones you hear about because they are nearing the regulatory process. Spectra has all ready completed looping numerous lines down to George, in fact theres one even being built right now and most of people in BC probably don'tt even know about it. Despite all the political rhetoric we hear in the papers BC has all ready gotten to the point in its own resource development where BC itself needs these pipelines to be built and BC government knows it.

Northern Gateway is near dead and the second Kinder Morgan is losing support....quickly. Others are also garnering negative attention and it's growing.

Assuming it's just political rhetoric is....short sighted at best.

Unfortunately who ever has been telling you this stuff is wrong. I hope it wasnt Christy. You can't stop the TMX, back when they put in the first 8" line the Canadian and BC government signed an agreement that would allow the owner (Kinder Morgan now) the rights to loop the line, hence why we're given permission to build the first phase right through Jasper National Park. The second and third phases are starting construction in 2015 and 16.

Gateway is well under way and even if by some fluke it doesn't go there's a second pipline that's all ready planned as a contingency.

Trying to stop pipelines from going through BC is tantamount to people trying to stop the railway 100 years ago.

That's why I said that both BC's government and Alberta's government share a lot in common, it's all about money to both of them.

[Gunnair]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Gunnair Gunnair:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

Gunny, do know how many pipelines are currently planned for BC at the moment? Apache's, Enbridge's, Kinder Morgan's, Spectra's; there are 8 between just those companies alone and those are only a hand full of the ones you hear about because they are nearing the regulatory process. Spectra has all ready completed looping numerous lines down to George, in fact theres one even being built right now and most of people in BC probably don'tt even know about it. Despite all the political rhetoric we hear in the papers BC has all ready gotten to the point in its own resource development where BC itself needs these pipelines to be built and BC government knows it.

Northern Gateway is near dead and the second Kinder Morgan is losing support....quickly. Others are also garnering negative attention and it's growing.

Assuming it's just political rhetoric is....short sighted at best.

Unfortunately who ever has been telling you this stuff is wrong. I hope it wasnt Christy. You can't stop the TMX, back when they put in the first 8" line the Canadian and BC government signed an agreement that would allow the owner (Kinder Morgan now) the rights to loop the line, hence why we're given permission to build the first phase right through Jasper National Park. The second and third phases are starting construction in 2015 and 16.

Gateway is well under way and even if by some fluke it doesn't go there's a second pipline that's all ready planned as a contingency.

Trying to stop pipelines from going through BC is tantamount to people trying to stop the railway 100 years ago.

That's why I said that both BC's government and Alberta's government share a lot in common, it's all about money to both of them.

Gateway won't fly. I hope Allison has not been stringing you along. Twinning of Kinder Morgan is hardly a done deal. Hope Allison hasn't been feeding you a line on that.

Assuming Alberta knows what's good for BC is a bit of arrogant presumption, I think.

Maybe you should send them east?

[dino_bobba_renno]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Assuming Alberta knows what's good for BC is a bit of arrogant presumption,

Maybe you should send them east?

I'm not presuming anything, I'm just letting you know what's being planned. As for the East bound stuff, it's all ready in the works with one key line finishing completion as we speak.

Any who, back to the subject at hand. Looks like Justin's remarks haven't had any great impact on the by-election in Calgary. Locke is still 5 points behind in the polls but I think that has more to do with vote splitting than Justin's recent remarks. It will be an interesting by-election to watch.