[Blue_Nose]

Something about Penn and Teller was the name of one of them, and there was another that occured, for some reason, at the same time.

Those were the two that I was involved in, but that's the extent of the help you'll get from me. People who waltz in calling everyone naive tend not to get much of a pleasant welcoming.

[ziggy]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Something about Penn and Teller was the name of one of them, and there was another that occured, for some reason, at the same time.

Those were the two that I was involved in, but that's the extent of the help you'll get from me. People who waltz in calling everyone naive tend not to get much of a pleasant welcoming.

especially from the board asshole.

[Bodah]

Calgary123 Calgary123:

And what about building #7? Do you even know what I am talking about? How about explaining this one to me? The official report ignored it in the 911 commission "investigation". There was a reason for that.

Oh ya WTC7 how can we forget, why wasnt it in the report ya theres a good reason because it wasnt a target. Unless you believe every object damaged in the attacks should of been in the report, lamp posts, cars, mailboxes etc etc....

Check the forums this one has been disected as well for your reading pleasure

And if its all an inside job why didnt evil Bush plant WMD's in Iraq the last biggest important play of their evil scheme of world dominance and they drop the ball on it. Seems kind of amaturish huh ?

Its funny you that you attempted to counter Blue Nose's post, At least Blue Nose is actual an Engineer.

lol

[Blue_Nose]

I'd rather not make that an arguing point, bodah, with all due respect. By no means am I speaking as an engineer, and I'm usually pretty careful in keeping that out of these discussions.

[Bodah]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

I'd rather not make that an arguing point, bodah, with all due respect. By no means am I speaking as an engineer, and I'm usually pretty careful in keeping that out of these discussions.

Understood, I couldnt resist though in pointing it out.

[Hardy]

Bodah Bodah:

And if its all an inside job why didnt evil Bush plant WMD's in Iraq the last biggest important play of their evil scheme of world dominance and they drop the ball on it. Seems kind of amaturish huh ?

I think that the "if conspiracies are possible, why didn't Bush plant WMDs?" argument is very weak.

The US's only justification (under international law) for attacking Iraq was the WMD issue. Even, let's say, 10 fake Iraqi missiles would mean 75 tonnes of materials. And they were not off-the-shelf Scuds, they were custom jobs. UN weapons inspectors would undoubtedly have wanted to examine them very thoroughly, and what excuse could the US make for turning them away?

Even the couple of tablespoons of anthrax used in the US mailings were successfully traced to a US weapons lab. When a tiny amount of a generic material could be tracked down in that way, what would the odds be of fooling scientists with scores of tonnes of fakes? And imagine what the international reaction would be like.

I don't think the non-feasibility of successfully planting fake WMDs is proof of anything at all.

[Calgary123]

Bodah Bodah:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

And what about building #7? Do you even know what I am talking about? How about explaining this one to me? The official report ignored it in the 911 commission "investigation". There was a reason for that.

Oh ya WTC7 how can we forget, why wasnt it in the report ya theres a good reason because it wasnt a target. Unless you believe every object damaged in the attacks should of been in the report, lamp posts, cars, mailboxes etc etc....

Check the forums this one has been disected as well for your reading pleasure

And if its all an inside job why didnt evil Bush plant WMD's in Iraq the last biggest important play of their evil scheme of world dominance and they drop the ball on it. Seems kind of amaturish huh ?

Its funny you that you attempted to counter Blue Nose's post, At least Blue Nose is actual an Engineer.

lol

A very weak argument. Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that the 911 commission had promised to answer some of these key questions... (this being one of them) from the families of those lost on 911. To this day, they can't explain it, and refuse to. This is one of the hundreds of issues ignored by the "whitewash" commission.

I guess you probably think that fire caused building 7 to collapse like deck of cards as well. If you actually believe that, then you are all the way into denial my friend. An "over engineered" building folds in like a tent, and drops straight to the ground in a tidy heap in 6.7 seconds... with only a few small fires. Watch the video... it's classic controlled demolition.

And by the way... the US government has done this in the past. It's a matter of fact and it's a part of history.

I find it interesting how gullible some people can be.

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Calgary123 Calgary123:

Bodah Bodah:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

And what about building #7? Do you even know what I am talking about? How about explaining this one to me? The official report ignored it in the 911 commission "investigation". There was a reason for that.

Oh ya WTC7 how can we forget, why wasnt it in the report ya theres a good reason because it wasnt a target. Unless you believe every object damaged in the attacks should of been in the report, lamp posts, cars, mailboxes etc etc....

Check the forums this one has been disected as well for your reading pleasure

And if its all an inside job why didnt evil Bush plant WMD's in Iraq the last biggest important play of their evil scheme of world dominance and they drop the ball on it. Seems kind of amaturish huh ?

Its funny you that you attempted to counter Blue Nose's post, At least Blue Nose is actual an Engineer.

lol

A very weak argument. Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that the 911 commission had promised to answer some of these key questions... (this being one of them) from the families of those lost on 911. To this day, they can't explain it, and refuse to. This is one of the hundreds of issues ignored by the "whitewash" commission.

I guess you probably think that fire caused building 7 to collapse like deck of cards as well. If you actually believe that, then you are all the way into denial my friend. An "over engineered" building folds in like a tent, and drops straight to the ground in a tidy heap in 6.7 seconds... with only a few small fires. Watch the video... it's classic controlled demolition.

And by the way... the US government has done this in the past. It's a matter of fact and it's a part of history.

I find it interesting how gullible some people can be.

I worked on the blasting crew at one time,that's not a controled demolition my friend.

[Bodah]

Calgary123 Calgary123:

Bodah Bodah:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

And what about building #7? Do you even know what I am talking about? How about explaining this one to me? The official report ignored it in the 911 commission "investigation". There was a reason for that.

Oh ya WTC7 how can we forget, why wasnt it in the report ya theres a good reason because it wasnt a target. Unless you believe every object damaged in the attacks should of been in the report, lamp posts, cars, mailboxes etc etc....

Check the forums this one has been disected as well for your reading pleasure

And if its all an inside job why didnt evil Bush plant WMD's in Iraq the last biggest important play of their evil scheme of world dominance and they drop the ball on it. Seems kind of amaturish huh ?

Its funny you that you attempted to counter Blue Nose's post, At least Blue Nose is actual an Engineer.

lol

A very weak argument. Perhaps you are not aware of the fact that the 911 commission had promised to answer some of these key questions... (this being one of them) from the families of those lost on 911. To this day, they can't explain it, and refuse to. This is one of the hundreds of issues ignored by the "whitewash" commission.

I guess you probably think that fire caused building 7 to collapse like deck of cards as well. If you actually believe that, then you are all the way into denial my friend. An "over engineered" building folds in like a tent, and drops straight to the ground in a tidy heap in 6.7 seconds... with only a few small fires. Watch the video... it's classic controlled demolition.

And by the way... the US government has done this in the past. It's a matter of fact and it's a part of history.

I find it interesting how gullible some people can be.

Here you go Sheila
http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/pull.htm
Wow the NYFD is now part of the conspiracy and really good at keeping their mouths shut about the whole thing. Your the gullible one.

Avoiding the WMD question huh ? That part doesn't fit well in your kooky theory does it ?

[Hardy]

ziggy ziggy:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

I guess you probably think that fire caused building 7 to collapse like deck of cards... An "over engineered" building folds in like a tent, and drops straight to the ground in a tidy heap in 6.7 seconds... with only a few small fires. Watch the video... it's classic controlled demolition.

I worked on the blasting crew at one time,that's not a controled demolition my friend.

How so? When I look at, say, the demolition of the Mayfair Hotel (top row, second from the right at: http://www.implosionworld.com/cinema.htm ), it does look awfully similar... Anyway, please explain.

[ziggy]

Hardy Hardy:

ziggy ziggy:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

I guess you probably think that fire caused building 7 to collapse like deck of cards... An "over engineered" building folds in like a tent, and drops straight to the ground in a tidy heap in 6.7 seconds... with only a few small fires. Watch the video... it's classic controlled demolition.

I worked on the blasting crew at one time,that's not a controled demolition my friend.

How so? When I look at, say, the demolition of the Mayfair Hotel (top row, second from the right at: http://www.implosionworld.com/cinema.htm ), it does look awfully similar... Anyway, please explain.

I cant! arrrrghhhhh! the damn govt. is hitting me with their thought control beams!!!!!!



Seriously though,it's been rehashed here before,easier for you to go search for it then me to retype it.

[twister]

Calgary123 Calgary123:

twister twister:

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Tin-Foil Hat Alert!!!!! Hold on tight boys, ‘cause we’ve got a heck of a ride ahead!!!

So let's try to answer them one at a time shall we:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

1) AWOL Chain of Command
a. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
b. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke, Norman Mineta and the 9/11 Commission directly conflict in their accounts of top-level response to the unfolding events, such that several (or all) of them must be lying.

You don't actually believe that the president his vice president and everyone else are actually in thier offices everyday. George Bush is still the president and was informed of the actions while he was away from washington.. there was no AWOL chain of command they were either in town or out of town like they are EVERYDAY,,,

calgary123 calgary123:

2) Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF, as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?

Question what are the US dealings with diverted flights exactly. F-16 aircraft of the airnational guard were not on standdown but were activated shortly after the first plane hit the WTC... No one in the administration had thought that anyone would use passenger jets as destructive missles... they had run through a test that involved passenger aircraft weeks before but no one knew exactly what was happening...If you think that flight 93 was in fact shot down which the evidence does not strongly point too... I guess that removes your own stand down thoery.... there is no CAP flying guard over erery american city like you seem to think there should be... pilots recieve the information that one or two flight had been diverted they still need to prep thier aircraft or at least launch with a proper time frame...

#1 You are correct that these individuals don't spend all day behind a desk waiting to respond to emergencies... but the fact is, that many of these key individuals were AWOL at the time, and the reports that they gave regarding their whereabouts conflicted in the final commission report. This is a fact. We know where GWB was... in a classroom, 25 minutes AFTER the 2'nd plane hit the building - and no secret service rushed him out of the room as per standard protocol. You probably weren't aware of the fact that Cheney pulled all Intercept orders away from his generals months before 911 - that way only he could direct an intercept. Interesting that he would do that.

#2. You are making stuff up as you are going along. There was a stand-down according to the definition of a stand down. NORAD had the capability of intercepting the 1'st flight well before it would have crashed according to the official report, and then to not take action to stop the 2'nd plane, and then the plane that crashed into the pentagon = Stand down. There was a witness even in the command center that went on the record claiming that Cheney was watching the 3'd plane close in on the pentagon, and not proceed with taking action. Planes that veer off path get intercepted all of the time, in fact there are detailed reports from the FAA that prove that this was an anomolie - and not just 1... BUT 3!!! Something you may not know, is these fighters can be off the ground in minutes after a scramble order, and be flying side-by-side with the hijacked aircraft in less than 10 minutes.... even if its 100's of miles away. Look it up. You obviously have little knowledge regarding military protocol. There was over an hour in-between the first tower crash and the Pentagon event. To suggest that this was just massive incompetance is what they want you to think... and it's rather naive to think that.

Your attempt to debate these points are weak. In fact you completely missed the point made right out of the gate. There were so many conflicting reports made over the last few years... especially in the first 2 weeks regarding timelines, about who was where, and doing what... that someone, or many had to be lying.

1. Do you know what AWOL means stupid... Absent without leave... If even Michael moore knows where the President was.. then He is not AWOL.. AWOL means that he has disappeared from his authority and they do not know of his return deriliction of duty... We have all seen the pictures of GW Bush reading to school kids when the attacks happened. you even say later on the Dick Cheney watched the third plane close in on the pentagon... well ASSHOLE how could he do it if he was AWOL. F88K.. tin hat time.. SEcondly.. No I don't know american military stand down procedures and the exact time that it take to arm fuel and scramble a flight of F-16's from an airforce base in virginia. And I believe in your statements you have no fucking idea either.

$1:

You obviously have little knowledge regarding military protocol

US military on scrambling aircraft to shoot down diverted aircraft... hmm is that anything like the old Soviet protocol that they used on KAL flight 007 in the 1980's over the kamchatka penninsula... Diverted airliner shot down check it out....hmm spent some time in Canada's military not the US so i assume some protocols are similar. Know who you are talking to lad before you open your mouth CHIEF OF STAFF SMART ASS.

Hind sight sure is 20/20 isn't it crytal f**King clear now dip shit... Go sit in your corner and think up something new... quick before GWBushes weather machine strikes again in Florida... What a complete retard.

[twister]

tin hat time..... IT"S A CONSPIRACY.. Iam developing a new website.. that tells the same stupid shit as a thousand other websites. And if we all believe it then it's fact. F**K

[SireJoe]

You know, for the amount of swearing you "dont" do, why dont you just say the bloody word? Why asterick it off? Who are you trying to fool?

[ziggy]

Get your AFDB here and put it on before the mind control beams start fuc*ing with your thoughts.