[Arctic_Menace]

What Iraq question?

[Mustang1]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

What Iraq question?

Sorry, it wasn’t addressed as a question in Wullu’s post, but I was making reference to his point that, “ Any group of folks capable of pulling this off could have gotten a couple tonnes of WMD into the chaos of the first couple of weeks of the attack in Iraq with their eyes closed.”

I’d like to know how this “group” (and you can interject any usual suspects – Illuminati, Reptilians, Free Masons, New World Order, PNAC, DHARMA) could be successful and creating their “Pearl Harbour” but then bungling the major follow up?

I should have made that more clear initially.

[Mustang1]

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

What Iraq question?

Sorry, it wasn’t addressed as a question in Wullu’s post, but I was making reference to his point that, “ Any group of folks capable of pulling this off could have gotten a couple tonnes of WMD into the chaos of the first couple of weeks of the attack in Iraq with their eyes closed.”

I’d like to know how this “group” (and you can interject any usual suspects – Illuminati, Reptilians, Free Masons, New World Order, PNAC, DHARMA) could be successful and creating their “Pearl Harbour” but then bungling the major follow up?

I should have made that more clear initially.

[twister]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

Arctic_Menace Arctic_Menace:

What Iraq question?

Sorry, it wasn’t addressed as a question in Wullu’s post, but I was making reference to his point that, “ Any group of folks capable of pulling this off could have gotten a couple tonnes of WMD into the chaos of the first couple of weeks of the attack in Iraq with their eyes closed.”

I’d like to know how this “group” (and you can interject any usual suspects – Illuminati, Reptilians, Free Masons, New World Order, PNAC, DHARMA) could be successful and creating their “Pearl Harbour” but then bungling the major follow up?

I should have made that more clear initially.

I know how it got bungled up... on the delivery of the WMD's to Iraq so they could be found... Jenkins... damn. should've used Fed Ex...... somewhere in a UPS warehouse there's 2000 tons of fusion material and chemicals marked "Party Hats" because they lost the international transfer waybill... you don't have a waybill that stuff doesn't get through the border and out of US customs.... and they don't care if you're George W Bush... LMAO

[tyranistal]

The last few weeks of disgusting media coverage on these alleged "terrorists" caught in our country is part of the plan... to instill fear (not to mention some more CSIS spending) in our country, and ensure that we all now know (if we didn't already) that our country is INFESTED with terrorists. Sorry, but a few FRS radios, some camo boots, a BBQ, and a door with a few holes... along with a few "props" like fertilizer bags will not convince me that our country is a breeding ground for "home-grown" terror.

Canadian Troops out of Afghanistan!! Our military should only be used when there is a real threat... not to assist is policing a country that Bush wants to build a pipeline through.[/quote]

Have you not read a book by the title of "Cold Terror"? It is written by Stewart Bell, and tells the true story of how Canada has been a breeding ground for both foreign and home-grown terror. Have you forgotten about the Khadr family?? They are personal friends of Osama bin Laden. Also, the mission in Afghanistan is under Canadian, NOT American control. If there were no threat to the western world from the middle east, then why would Osama bin Laden and his Al-Queda network urge people living in the Darfur region of Sudan, Africa, to rise up and fight any foreign peace-keeping force that is deployed there in an attempt to end the genocide that is similar to the 1994 crisis in Rwanda.

Also, isn't there a real threat to the people of afghanistan who have been oppressed for the last 17 years after the Afghan conflict with the Soviet Union ended and the Taliban took over control of the war-torn country??? Plus, what's wrong with CSIS spending? In the event that the alleged threat to Canada is bogus, wouldn't you like to have a safety net in place should our fine country one day come under true threat?

If it will help you to see the light, I would gladly give you my copy of "Cold Terror" when I am done. I am upset to share my city with somone who would rather side with those who would threaten our way of life and our values rather than be on the safe side.

However, I do commend you in your search for the truth, as whatever the outcome of all this, it will affect not only our own lives, but the lives of our children and grandchildren and decendets there after. I hope we meet in the street someday, then perhaps we can have a discussion face to face.

Tyranistal

[tyranistal]

Calgary123 Calgary123:

Ziggy,

Nice list, but that doesn't prove anything.... and don't get me wrong. I'm all for locking up and prosecuting REAL Terrorists. If any of these people were to act in such a way as to compromise the safety and security of Canadians, I'm all for throwing away the key.

The truth of the matter though, with the most recent case, is that there is sufficient lack of evidence to suggest that these kids were a real threat. I think people need to be more skeptical, considering the last BIG threat turned out to be a lot of "who shot John".

In any case, the media's portrayal of these whole "event" (although nothing even happened!) was completely overboard. If some of these kids were just victims to running of the mouth on internet chat boards, then they have already been declared guilty by the mainstream media. I'm no Muslim, and I don't sympathize, nor relate to their religion, but I would wonder if the media and RCMP would have splashed this all over the news in such a way as they did, if these kids turned out to be white. They wouldn't be "terrorists" then... just a bunch of dumb kids spouting off in Internet chat rooms.

Why should we only prosecute and throw away the key if they're a threat to CANADIANS?? We should lock them up simply for using our country as a safe-house, never mind the fact that they compromise the safety and liberty of people around the globe.!

Tyranistal

[SprCForr]

Tin foils hats!

I heard that a tennis raquet slowly weaving a pattern in front of your face prevents the mind altering Q waves from penetrating. BTW, alternately blinking your eyes quickly will prevent you from being hypnotised.


I wanna see the monkey dance.

[ShepherdsDog]

Putting down the crack pipe may help too.

[tyranistal]

I just realized something. Perhaps Calgary123 would like to provide us with his sources of information, instead of just insisting that the rest of us who don't support crackpot theories are uninformed idiots. Such as his post about the Chicago judge. I would like to know how you found out about that, especially since the US government isn't afraid to censor things. We all remember Vietnam, right?

Well, my father is a 'Nam vet, and when he came to Canada from America in the '80's, he was surprised by the amount of media that was available on the subject. One such example of Vietnam censorship is China Beach. This television show is remenisent of M*A*S*H*, except that it is set in Vietnam, not Korea. This show was censored for a long time in America, and if I'm not mistaken, it might still be. So please, Calgary123, tell us what American sources you have that tell you the Bush Administration plotted 9/11.

Perhaps after you empower the rest of us "uninformed" people, we will see the light of day and agree the Bush and friends are criminal, but until then, you have to accept that your statements are crackpot and unfounded.

Tyranistal

[ziggy]

Calgary123 Calgary123:

ziggy ziggy:

Answer me this c123
So I know where your coming from.

a)Do you believe it was a jet or a missile that hit the pentagon?
b)Do you believe it was a partly jewish conspiracy?
c)Do you believe the militery shot down a commercial jetliner that day?

A) Not sure. There are many that feel that it was a missile, although many feel that it was a military jet. This one is touchy since there are 85 cameras that hold the truth, and none of them have been released (unless you count the 5 frames that solve nothing). Many critics of the official story believe that it could have been in fact the plane... and the release of real footage at some point down the road will attempt to squash the entire truth movement. I for one, haven't bought into any of the popular "theories" on this point.

b) No.

C) I'm not 100% sure on this point, although it is interesting that the last few minutes of the flight recorder was not released, and the physical evidence suggests that it was indeed shot down. Parts strewn over 8 miles strongly points to this... and many critics of the official story feel that this plane was directed to the White House, and would have hit it... had it not been for a few people taking control of the aircraft... which wasn't the intended plan. Therefore, it was shot down. Anyhow, Flight 93 is a bit of a mystery.

There are many things I am quite sure about though... such as controlled demolitions being used in the towers. There are many others, but for the sake of time, I thought I would mention it. I'm a few minutes away from leaving the office today.

Im back and enough said,break out the tinfoil hats,Your a freakin nutbar.

[Johnny_Utah]

Calgary123 Calgary123:

As a new member to this forum, I would like to say hello to all of the fellow Canadians. I am in the process of building a site dedicated to revealing the truths of 911, and state-sponsered "terrorism", and ultimately try and educate more Canadians regarding globalism, and our current state of affairs.

For a number of years I have intimately followed and researched the crime sydicate south of the border called the "Bush Administration", and have grown increasingly concerned with the direction our government and media is taking us with this War in Afghanistan. Clearly, this "war on Terror" is a campaign of conquest, that was initiated through the "pretext" of a false flag operation (911) cloaked strategically with the corporate media acting as the government mouthpiece. Now that Canada has been dragged into this illegal war, we are now at risk of losing our credibility on the world stage... not to mention Canadians dying in a War over Oil and resource control, among other things.

As a nation, we need to wake up and educate ourselves. The media has failed to inform us of what is really happening south of the border, and we are at risk of following in their footsteps. Since the Patriot Act has obliterated the American constitution (in the name of "national Security"), the freedoms the Americans once knew are out the door. The government is one more "terrorist Act" away from declaring martial law on their own people, and then rolling out the Police State in full gear. The American people have been lied to, and programmed into believeing that their government needs to "protect" them, since the Reichstag... er, I mean 911 government attacks. The pressure that Bush and his Nazi facist regime will put on Canada to put our policy "in-line" with theirs is already evident.

The last few weeks of disgusting media coverage on these alleged "terrorists" caught in our country is part of the plan... to instill fear (not to mention some more CSIS spending) in our country, and ensure that we all now know (if we didn't already) that our country is INFESTED with terrorists. Sorry, but a few FRS radios, some camo boots, a BBQ, and a door with a few holes... along with a few "props" like fertilizer bags will not convince me that our country is a breeding ground for "home-grown" terror. This "sting" operation already stinks, and if it turns out to be anything like the last bogus terror threat (2003) most of these people will get released, and the alleged "threat" will get ignored by the media. This "evidence" that the RCMP has looks weak, and to assume that this was indeed a "real" threat (based on history) would be naive.

The most recent London threats have already proven to be bogus, and I believe that it's a matter of time, that this turns out to be the same.

Canadian Troops out of Afghanistan!! Our military should only be used when there is a real threat... not to assist is policing a country that Bush wants to build a pipeline through.

You sound like a Tard from another Forum spewing the same Bullshit..

[Johnny_Utah]

SprCForr SprCForr:

Tin foils hats! .

[ziggy]

Johnny_Utah Johnny_Utah:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

As a new member to this forum, I would like to say hello to all of the fellow Canadians. I am in the process of building a site dedicated to revealing the truths of 911, and state-sponsered "terrorism", and ultimately try and educate more Canadians regarding globalism, and our current state of affairs.

For a number of years I have intimately followed and researched the crime sydicate south of the border called the "Bush Administration", and have grown increasingly concerned with the direction our government and media is taking us with this War in Afghanistan. Clearly, this "war on Terror" is a campaign of conquest, that was initiated through the "pretext" of a false flag operation (911) cloaked strategically with the corporate media acting as the government mouthpiece. Now that Canada has been dragged into this illegal war, we are now at risk of losing our credibility on the world stage... not to mention Canadians dying in a War over Oil and resource control, among other things.

As a nation, we need to wake up and educate ourselves. The media has failed to inform us of what is really happening south of the border, and we are at risk of following in their footsteps. Since the Patriot Act has obliterated the American constitution (in the name of "national Security"), the freedoms the Americans once knew are out the door. The government is one more "terrorist Act" away from declaring martial law on their own people, and then rolling out the Police State in full gear. The American people have been lied to, and programmed into believeing that their government needs to "protect" them, since the Reichstag... er, I mean 911 government attacks. The pressure that Bush and his Nazi facist regime will put on Canada to put our policy "in-line" with theirs is already evident.

The last few weeks of disgusting media coverage on these alleged "terrorists" caught in our country is part of the plan... to instill fear (not to mention some more CSIS spending) in our country, and ensure that we all now know (if we didn't already) that our country is INFESTED with terrorists. Sorry, but a few FRS radios, some camo boots, a BBQ, and a door with a few holes... along with a few "props" like fertilizer bags will not convince me that our country is a breeding ground for "home-grown" terror. This "sting" operation already stinks, and if it turns out to be anything like the last bogus terror threat (2003) most of these people will get released, and the alleged "threat" will get ignored by the media. This "evidence" that the RCMP has looks weak, and to assume that this was indeed a "real" threat (based on history) would be naive.

The most recent London threats have already proven to be bogus, and I believe that it's a matter of time, that this turns out to be the same.

Canadian Troops out of Afghanistan!! Our military should only be used when there is a real threat... not to assist is policing a country that Bush wants to build a pipeline through.

You sound like a Tard from another Forum spewing the same Bullshit..

He/it is. You noticed that too eh?

[ziggy]

$1:

I'm not 100% sure on this point,

Come back when you are ok?

Most folks on this site want facts.

[Bodah]

Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:

Self-Loathing and the Denial of Terrorism

BY JAMES LILEKS

You're an enlightened world citizen. Your T-shirt says "9/11 was an inside job." You're pretty sure we're living in a fascist state, that President Bush taps the Dixie Chicks' phones, Christian abortion clinic bombers outnumber jihadis, and the war on "terror" is a distraction from the real threats: carbon emissions and Pat Robertson. Then you learn that 17 people were arrested in a terrorist bomb plot. How do you process the information? Let's take it step by step.

Gosh, that's horrible, you think. But no -- that's what they WANT you to feel. Recall the prime directive: Question Authority (unless he's a college professor). The plotters must have been impoverished olive farmers radicalized by the removal of Saddam Hussein. Why, if someone came in and toppled your president, you'd go to their country and ... well, you'd thank them. Unless they did it for the wrong reasons! Then you'd blow something up. Like an SUV dealership. At night. Anyway, you understand; you care a lot about Iraqis these days. You think about Iraq more than China, to be honest, but it's not as if you'll scrape off your "Free Tibet" bumper sticker -- unless it's to make room for "Free Darfur." Or "Hands Off Darfur," depending.

Wait a minute: The "terrorists" were Canadian? You can understand someone blowing up trains in Spain and London. They sent troops to an illegal war cooked up by neocons who want to kill brown people for Exxon and Jesus, or something. You can understand, reluctantly, blowing up teens in an Israeli pizza parlor, because the Jews took the West Bank from the sovereign, ancient nation of Palestine. (How can a liberal socialist country behave so poorly? The world is full of mysteries.) But Canada? Isn't Michael Moore from Canada? You can get medical marijuana from married gay doctors in Canada, and no one has guns. You console yourself: Maybe they were really planning to attack the U.S.

You realize the suspects were all Muslim, and you dread the inevitable pogroms. Haven't been any yet, but any day now. You read that a mosque was vandalized in Toronto after the arrest, and you feel a certain grim relief. Finally, racism! Banners. If you're going to have a march, you'll need banners.

But wait. You read that the suspects were not connected to al-Qaida, and you're confused for a moment. Maybe it won't be over if they get Osama bin Laden (provided he isn't really in an supersecret Idaho prison). What if the "terrorists" hate you for their own reasons? The evildoer-in-chief said "they hate our freedoms" -- as if we have freedoms, really, just try and get a bike-messenger job that has full health benefits. But what if rights and mixed-sex education and an economy based on sustainable hemp-based art installations mean nothing to them?

Maybe you could convince them to hold off while you fix Amerikkka. At least you can get it down to one k. Maybe if the Democrats take the House back. A 10-seat swing won't make the imams cool down, but 20 seats, in red states? Would that be a good-faith effort?

You worry this will push Haditha off the front page. It's very important that everyone concentrate on the atrocities committed by U.S. troops every day. (It's such a relief not to have to pretend to support the troops anymore.) Anyway, nothing happened. Nothing blew up. If the suspects were planning something, they didn't do it, and this proves we can handle this as a law enforcement matter. Even though the police are racists.

Your head hurts.

You have a friend in Toronto. She's cool. It would kill her if these arrests were made possible by NSA eavesdropping.

You find yourself almost wishing there was another real attack, so people could see the logical consequences of "fighting back" after 9/11. Yes, it would be bad, but sometimes you have to break an egg to show people the health impact of omelettes. Is it wrong to wish the Canadian terrorists might have succeeded?

Shouldn't you know the answer to that question?


http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/lileks060706.html

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I'd like to dedicate the above to my pals, xerxes, Scape and wada.