[Calgary123]

ziggy ziggy:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

ziggy ziggy:

I must have read 3000 pages on this theory,the whole thing point by point(even the pod theory) was brought up and proved wrong by people who have nothing to gain like some authors do by selling their book.

I'll see if I can find the link for you,and its a forum with regular people,not a conspiracy site or a bush lovers site.

The "pod Theory"

Interesting that you would name one of the most rediculous claims made by the "nuts" who have gone overboard. If you are going to discredit the whole case by simply stating that the Pod Theory doesn't hold up, then you are CHOOSING to ignore the most damning evidence and facts - and there is piles of it available.

Most scholars and higher level researchers feel that "straw man" claims like the pod theory only exist to discredit the truth movement.

You must have read the Popular mechanics article... what a joke

Your claim of reading 3000 pages is quite suspect... if you choose to mention the Pod theory. It's not even mentioned in well-researched documents and studies. It only exists on a few bad websites, and somehow gets lumped into the real evidence - some feel by design.

Actually the pod theory was brought up by the theorists after they lost all the other debates,guess they were getting desperate.

Same with the doctored photos of the pentagon,it was a nice try though.

Ziggy,

You are being silly now. If you don't know anything about this topic then just admit it... it's OK to be uninformed.

[Indelible]

in the video you can see them going off floor by floor as the building was collapsing.....don't you think that they would have gone off all at once if they were intentionally fired, if they were triggered by the heat i would imagine only ones near the floors that were hit by the plane would have gone off.

[Patrick_Ross]

Tricks Tricks:

Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

There is a minor strand of truth regarding the "implosion" theory.

Explosives were involved.
The World Trade Center, as many know, housed a CIA office. Every CIA office is equipped with incediary explosives that can be triggered in event that the office is severely compromised. This is to destroy any hard copies of classified information that may be within the buildings.
On 911, those explosives, in that office were either triggered intentionally, or accidentally, by the extreme heat from the fires burning above them. I don't know which.
I do, however, imagine that the blast could potentially have been enough to cause the collapse of the first tower. But because I am neither a demo expert, nor fully informed as to the exact nature of the explosives in question, I cannot say for sure.

So, government explosives were involved. But "controlled demolition"? Hardly.

I didn't know this, do you have a source?

Yessir. The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, by Marchietti and Marks.

I actually just finished reading this last week. I had heard this (word of mouth) prior to reading it, but it was nice to read it somewhere as well.

[ziggy]

Calgary123 Calgary123:

ziggy ziggy:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

ziggy ziggy:

I must have read 3000 pages on this theory,the whole thing point by point(even the pod theory) was brought up and proved wrong by people who have nothing to gain like some authors do by selling their book.

I'll see if I can find the link for you,and its a forum with regular people,not a conspiracy site or a bush lovers site.

The "pod Theory"

Interesting that you would name one of the most rediculous claims made by the "nuts" who have gone overboard. If you are going to discredit the whole case by simply stating that the Pod Theory doesn't hold up, then you are CHOOSING to ignore the most damning evidence and facts - and there is piles of it available.

Most scholars and higher level researchers feel that "straw man" claims like the pod theory only exist to discredit the truth movement.

You must have read the Popular mechanics article... what a joke

Your claim of reading 3000 pages is quite suspect... if you choose to mention the Pod theory. It's not even mentioned in well-researched documents and studies. It only exists on a few bad websites, and somehow gets lumped into the real evidence - some feel by design.

Actually the pod theory was brought up by the theorists after they lost all the other debates,guess they were getting desperate.

Same with the doctored photos of the pentagon,it was a nice try though.

Ziggy,

You are being silly now. If you don't know anything about this topic then just admit it... it's OK to be uninformed.

I used to run into folks with that attitude on the other forum too after they were shown the truth also. Thats ok,bring it on,havent seen any proof yet and a proof is a proof right?

[Calgary123]

Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

But know that while we might be in the minority today... that will shift in time. While it might be hard to accept or believe anything other than what CNN or FOX News has been telling people for years, the truth will emerge on top of all the lies and propoganda.

I would wager that you have done little research on this topic. I don't mean that as a shot. There was once a time that I couldn't even fathom believing anything as far-fetched as a 911 "conspiracy" theory. The truth is though... that I don't wear a tin foil hat, and don't buy into conspiracy theories.

I do believe in conspiracy facts though

By the way, the Oklahoma "terrorist" act has already been proven to be a government inside job. It's on the record, and most people accept it already. Its a matter of time before people will have no other choice but to believe that the American government planned and orchastrated 911. There is a mountain of evidence to support this. Not just a few videos and wackos on the internet my friend.

You know, even when you're trying to be polite you sound infuriatingly arrogant. When you "research" the theories of crackpots in order to build your own theory, what you ultimately end up with is a crackpot theory.
Many of the 911 conspiracy theories are just that: conspiracy theories, tying together many different unrelated factoids together with spit and baling twine until they look solid. But, it's like a house built on sand -- because once that one idea of Bush planning 911 (if this isn't what you are insinuating, please feel free to correct me) is eliminated, the baling twine is cut and the entire theory falls to pieces.
I do, to some extent, allowing some people their delusions. But this particular delusion tramples one of the most terrible events in history, and I feel obligated to do so. Sorry.

...Regardless, welcome to the site.

Tritium Tritium:

What's interesting is that the demographics are changing in Alberta. As the boom brings in more Liberals from Ontario and Quebec, I think I see Ralph Klein's control on Alberta coming to an end.

Maybe, just maybe we can get a Liberal or maybe an NDP government in Alberta.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Let's see Tricks bite on that one.. which he will. Like a fish in water and the bait being "trolled" past his nose.

Dream hard, retard.

You may benefit by knowing:

A.)The "changing demographics" in Alberta are a trend that has been going on for nearly 20 years now, and there has been no massive change in government. So you're wrong here.

B.)Ralph Klein is retiring in the fall. So you clearly don't know what you're talking about, and

c.)This has nothing to do with Calgary123's thread. So you're clearly an idiot.

I'm having trouble keeping up with the responses... but in short, I don't research information from "crack-pots" like you might suggest. I would wager that you've never looked at anything that's been presented in a well-researched forum (ie. Book). While much of the internet lends to this "canning" of people believing in this as "nuts", one must look beyond the BS in order to find the truth. Many experts in the field of physics, engineering, politics and foreign policy studies have compiled pointed facts that suggest this to be more than what the media has presented.

And to suggest that it was only Bush involved means you haven't done your homework. It's bigger than one man, and there were many people involved to pull off this operation.

My "delusions" as you call it in no way is to disrespect the fallen... in fact many of the families of those lost in 911 have been fighting a war behind the scenes for years, trying to open up a real investigation. The last bogus investigation was a whitewash, meant to put a period on the event. Unfortunately, it was a scam and a fraud, and many people have seen right through it.

Have you even read the official document? All 550 pages of it? I have.

Anyhow... thanks for the welcome

[ziggy]

$1:

It's bigger than one man, and there were many people involved to pull off this operation.

Well I dont think I know two people who could keep a secret let alone the thousands it would take to pull off 911 and keep quiet about.

[Tricks]

Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

Tricks Tricks:

Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

There is a minor strand of truth regarding the "implosion" theory.

Explosives were involved.
The World Trade Center, as many know, housed a CIA office. Every CIA office is equipped with incediary explosives that can be triggered in event that the office is severely compromised. This is to destroy any hard copies of classified information that may be within the buildings.
On 911, those explosives, in that office were either triggered intentionally, or accidentally, by the extreme heat from the fires burning above them. I don't know which.
I do, however, imagine that the blast could potentially have been enough to cause the collapse of the first tower. But because I am neither a demo expert, nor fully informed as to the exact nature of the explosives in question, I cannot say for sure.

So, government explosives were involved. But "controlled demolition"? Hardly.

I didn't know this, do you have a source?

Yessir. The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, by Marchietti and Marks.

I actually just finished reading this last week. I had heard this (word of mouth) prior to reading it, but it was nice to read it somewhere as well.

Wow, I should take a look at it.

[Patrick_Ross]

Calgary123 Calgary123:

Anyhow... thanks for the welcome

You're welcome.

Calgary123 Calgary123:

While much of the internet lends to this "canning" of people believing in this as "nuts", one must look beyond the BS in order to find the truth.

I hate to have to tell it to you like this, but looking "beyond the bullshit" means to still have to look through it. And no matter how you look at bullshit, it's still bullshit.

The trouble with these theories (and they are crackpot theories) is that they are trying to take what's there, and mold it into something it's not.

NOW: if you were to say that Bush is incompetent, should have seen 9/11 coming, and acted on available intelligence (well documented both before and after) in order to prevent it, you'd be entirely correct.
But many of these theories are nothing more than tools of extremists amongst Bush's political opponents trying to transform him into a sadly incompetent daddy's boy into a sinister criminal. He is clearly the former, and not the latter.

[Calgary123]

ridenrain ridenrain:

Calgary123 Calgary123:

Tricks Tricks:

Woot, now all we need is Trilium and we will have every moron on this board in one thread.

Riden, leave avro out, you may disagree with him, but he is no where near fucking idiots like this.

Are you calling me a ******* idiot?

You may well equal the posts of Trillium, but only in time.
May I remind you're first thread did start out pretty strong.
Normally one eases into things instead of cannonballing to the deep end.

I would agree... my first thread here is quite pointed, or strong as you might suggest.

I happen to feel that this issue is more important than gay rights, or all of the other BS that our government debates day in and day out. Nothing against gays or anything.

I prefer the cannonball approach... I'm not afraid to make a point when I feel one needs to be made.

Know that there are many boards I could go to and have complete agreement with all of my opinions and speak with people like myself who have researched and studied this for years. At the end of the day... it can get boring. I like to engage people with little to no knowledge on these subjects since those are the people that need to be informed. Call it a public service.

People that choose to close their minds or just not agree though don't offend me... as long as they do it in a mature and professional manner.

It still is a free country after all.

[Tricks]

ziggy ziggy:

$1:

It's bigger than one man, and there were many people involved to pull off this operation.

Well I dont think I know two people who could keep a secret let alone the thousands it would take to pull off 911 and keep quiet about.

That alone should convince people. There are an unbelievable amount of leaks in any country, what would change with this? Especially this, someone would feel remorse and have to tell someone.

[ziggy]

Tricks Tricks:

ziggy ziggy:

$1:

It's bigger than one man, and there were many people involved to pull off this operation.

Well I dont think I know two people who could keep a secret let alone the thousands it would take to pull off 911 and keep quiet about.

That alone should convince people. There are an unbelievable amount of leaks in any country, what would change with this? Especially this, someone would feel remorse and have to tell someone.

Like the so called implosion,the owner of the building even went on the news to tell people what "pull it" means because he was getting a bit sick of the theorys. The one person that started this topic on the other forum I mentioned is really anti-jewish and I notice most folks pushing this conspiracy theory will bring jews into the thread sooner or later.

But I'll wait and see what proofs c123 has before I break out the tinfoil hat.

[Bodah]

Welcome,

Regarding the 911 "theory" Ill keep my arguement short.

If the conspiracy is infact true, considering Bill Clinton couldnt even get a blow job without the whole world knowing about it, why are we lead to believe that these couple of hundred or so people that would of had to been involved in order to pull this thing off are able to keep their mouths shut ?


Second, regarding our lovely home grown Canadian terrorists, innocent until proven guilty of course. If 3 tonees of amonium nitrate isnt considered enough evidence to be arrested in your opinion. I hope your not in law enforcement in charge of protecting my safety.

[Calgary123]

ziggy ziggy:

$1:

It's bigger than one man, and there were many people involved to pull off this operation.

Well I dont think I know two people who could keep a secret let alone the thousands it would take to pull off 911 and keep quiet about.

I wondered that myself... until I found records of people that tried to blow the whistle on this months before... and were stonewalled. For example, The lead prosecutor in Chicago - (David Shippers - the man who impeached Clinton, and brought down the "outfit" in Chicago), had FBI insiders come to him with documented evidence showing the money trail, and outlining the events in Lower manhatton and the pentagon. He had information that outlined the government involvement in 911, and he brought this information all the way up the David Ashcroft (as high as you go) as well as many people he had connections with in congress.

Nothing happened. The people that should be doing something ignored him, and to this day he is still fighting to have these agents brought forward to testify the truth. Many people close to him feel that he could still blown the lid wide open on this case, and it would completely imcrimminate the Bush administration. Unfortunatately, the American Justice system which works under Heil Bush will not allow this information to be made public.

That is just one example. There are hundreds of other.

[ziggy]

Calgary123 Calgary123:

ziggy ziggy:

$1:

It's bigger than one man, and there were many people involved to pull off this operation.

Well I dont think I know two people who could keep a secret let alone the thousands it would take to pull off 911 and keep quiet about.

I wondered that myself... until I found records of people that tried to blow the whistle on this months before... and were stonewalled. For example, The lead prosecutor in Chicago - (David Shippers - the man who impeached Clinton, and brought down the "outfit" in Chicago), had FBI insiders come to him with documented evidence showing the money trail, and outlining the events in Lower manhatton and the pentagon. He had information that outlined the government involvement in 911, and he brought this information all the way up the David Ashcroft (as high as you go) as well as many people he had connections with in congress.

Nothing happened. The people that should be doing something ignored him, and to this day he is still fighting to have these agents brought forward to testify the truth. Many people close to him feel that he could still blown the lid wide open on this case, and it would completely imcrimminate the Bush administration. Unfortunatately, the American Justice system which works under Heil Bush will not allow this information to be made public.

That is just one example. There are hundreds of other.

Unsubstantiated evidence,you have to do better then that.

Facts man....facts.

[Patrick_Ross]

Tricks Tricks:

Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

Tricks Tricks:

Patrick_Ross Patrick_Ross:

There is a minor strand of truth regarding the "implosion" theory.

Explosives were involved.
The World Trade Center, as many know, housed a CIA office. Every CIA office is equipped with incediary explosives that can be triggered in event that the office is severely compromised. This is to destroy any hard copies of classified information that may be within the buildings.
On 911, those explosives, in that office were either triggered intentionally, or accidentally, by the extreme heat from the fires burning above them. I don't know which.
I do, however, imagine that the blast could potentially have been enough to cause the collapse of the first tower. But because I am neither a demo expert, nor fully informed as to the exact nature of the explosives in question, I cannot say for sure.

So, government explosives were involved. But "controlled demolition"? Hardly.

I didn't know this, do you have a source?

Yessir. The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence, by Marchietti and Marks.

I actually just finished reading this last week. I had heard this (word of mouth) prior to reading it, but it was nice to read it somewhere as well.

Wow, I should take a look at it.

It's an excellent book. It is so revealing that the CIA actually fought a court case in order to have significant portions of the book deleted.
They mostly lost, but there are still 137 deletions in the book, ranging from single words, to sentences, paragraphs, and entire pages. They're easy to spot, they printed (DELETED) wherever they were forced to delete something in the interests of national security.