[bbuddykat]

The clock is ticking on Harper..it doesn't matter what he says or does..he is history.Canadians have seen his dark side in spades..haha black as the ace of spades...they don't trust or believe him. Remember he was the idiot brained half wit that said..."Canadians aren't worried about job loss or losing their home"....well I hope those dumb conservatives lose it all bigtime. Indications are they will be the first in line in Canada's credit crunch riots..hope they get tasered but good.

It is easy to look like a genius when you bug caucus offices because you know what they are going to do before hand...so besides being an idiot brained half wit..he is a criminal..and a corrupt one at that. Bye bye Harper, don't forget to take your neocon scum supporters down with you.

[herbie]

That was a dumb statement, especially when you read it living in a town where almost half are in danger of losing their homes

[RUEZ]

herbie herbie:

That was a dumb statement, especially when you read it living in a town where almost half are in danger of losing their homes

I live in the same town. The unemployment rate is still 6%. That's better then the Chretien years. Which half is about to lose their homes?

[ridenrain]

One of the bloggers, "Blue like you" coined the perfect phrase for Iggy's situation:

"Between a Bloc and a Harvard place"

I hear their soon to replace him with a bicycle pump anyways..

[mtbr]

RUEZ RUEZ:

herbie herbie:

That was a dumb statement, especially when you read it living in a town where almost half are in danger of losing their homes

I live in the same town. The unemployment rate is still 6%. That's better then the Chretien years. Which half is about to lose their homes?

he probably thinks half of all Albertans are about to lose their homes.

[PlatCanada]

Mustang1, just because there is a thread on it does not mean its been addressed and thats that.

The main argument I found within those pages was that it gave more power to 'fringe parties' and created kingmakers. Fringe parties, like the Bloc, would have their power substantially cut, and the other 'fringe' parties like the NDP, who gets a steady 15-20% of the vote, hardly something to scoff at, would have a more fair representation in the House. Majority Gov'ts are not always a good thing in a Parliament, especially one with a FTPT way of doing things. Take partisanship out of the equation and look at the popular numbers; 38% voted Conservative, 62% voted some other way.

In what democratic world is it ok for a minority to impose its values and opinions on a majority of people? Some sort of proportionality is not only in sinc with our core values as Canadians, but its also morally correct.

[Mustang1]

PlatCanada PlatCanada:

Mustang1, just because there is a thread on it does not mean its been addressed and thats that.

The main argument I found within those pages was that it gave more power to 'fringe parties' and created kingmakers. Fringe parties, like the Bloc, would have their power substantially cut, and the other 'fringe' parties like the NDP, who gets a steady 15-20% of the vote, hardly something to scoff at, would have a more fair representation in the House. Majority Gov'ts are not always a good thing in a Parliament, especially one with a FTPT way of doing things. Take partisanship out of the equation and look at the popular numbers; 38% voted Conservative, 62% voted some other way.

In what democratic world is it ok for a minority to impose its values and opinions on a majority of people? Some sort of proportionality is not only in sinc with our core values as Canadians, but its also morally correct.

Actually, the thread DOES address it.

PR isn't inherently more democratic, it favors regionalism, fringe parties, unproprotional power for parties in the legislature and legislative process, coalition governments (which, you'll notice hasn't worked well here), legislative gridlock, undemocratic partisanship (lists of members, like in MMPR, who are chosen by the party) and elements fly in the face of responsible government (some MPs wouldn't necessarily have local constituents - and where's the local accountability). In fact, voters in Ontario have already spoken on the issue, so why disregard their democratic voice?

I'm not advocating a problem-free FPTP, but it works. And well. Its produced, historically, good government, national parties, responsible government, legitimate parties, decent legislative operation and there doesn't seem to be an overwhelmingly compelling reason to replace it with a new system that inherently has its own flaws.

People in this nation have had a difficult enough time with the latest parliamentary crisis and this would be common under PR and its variants, so i'm not sure if its implementation is demonstrably justifiable.

[smorgdonkey]

ridenrain ridenrain:

I never saw any signatures on that doccument.

We definately saw Dion's and Iggy's on the doccument for the sedition coalition.

The new Government is supported by parties that share a commitment to fiscal responsibility, a progressive agenda and a belief in the role of Government to act as a partner with Canadians and Quebecers.

Dat is De Nile

[smorgdonkey]

RUEZ RUEZ:

herbie herbie:

That was a dumb statement, especially when you read it living in a town where almost half are in danger of losing their homes

I live in the same town. The unemployment rate is still 6%. That's better then the Chretien years. Which half is about to lose their homes?

I lived there during the Cretien years...everyone who wanted to work was working. People were moving there like crazy during that time. It was a better place then than it is now but I am not so biased that I credit either government with the state that it was in at the time.