[xerxes]

But if your suspect was constantly changing his story and being uncooperative, you'd grow rather suspicious, am I right?

[Ripcat]

Firstly, I didn't yell about anything....

Secondly, I have to go to work now so I will respond to your post fully late tonight when I get home.

[Ripcat]

Keep in mind I'm not yelling about anything, just having a discussion...

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she was just a shit disturber trying to get people mad at the Iranain government.

Thats fine. I guess it worked better than she thought it would. Still, the Iranians have showed they have no respect for human rights and I hold human rights in the highest regard and hope that our government pushes as much as possible.

$1:

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that there was CIA involvement all the way down the line.

I'm sure the Iranians torture alot of their dissenting citizens looking for foreign involvement. More human rights abuses. Canada should help the democratic reform movement in Iran as much as it can. One way is to push Iran on its treatment of people and hopefully more Iranians will become dissatified and embarassed with their government enough to take a stand.

$1:

In Darfur(Sudan) there are hundreds of people dying every week due to human rights violations. Why aren't you yelling about that?

Discussion of this would be off topic...

$1:

In Iraq the prisoners of the Americans and on the American base in Cuba the prisoners of the Americans are suffering and dying every day. Why aren't you yelling about that?

Off topic again...

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I'll tell you why. You're busy yelling about Kazami because somebody pushed your buttons by telling you she was a Canadian who was persecuted and killed. She wasn't. She was an Iranian who pushed the system a little too far.

Again, I'm not yelling about anything. Did you even take time to read my original post fully? I specifically said Canada was wasting its breath on Iran. I was just a little put off by your original post that Canada should do nothing. From this I took it to mean that you don't think Canada should do anything to promote human rights or protect the mothers of its citizens. Am I correct about this?

As for the Belleville cop, I hope he does OK dealing with the fact that he had to kill someone. I hope he gets all the support he needs as I feel he made the right choice. Don't run from cops!

[figfarmer]

Canada need not "help the democratic reform movement" nor any other movements anywhere until Canada cleans up its own back yard. We don't need to push anyone.

When she went travelling in Iran on an Iranian passport she wasn't acting as a Canadian citizen or a mother of a Canadian citizen. She was acting as a radical Iranian criminal.

All we know is that she died of injuries possibly sustained while in prison. Anything else is heresay and speculation. We don't expect our government to be "pushed", whatever you mean by that, by the governments of other countries every time someone dies in a Canadian prison. I would give other countries the same respect that we expect.

If you have knowledge or proofs beyond what I know, say so. If your buttons have been pushed by sensationalist press, calm down and think about how you're not going to let it happen again. All I've heard is the word of one person who claims to be a doctor and wants to live in Canada, so he's trying to convince Canadians that he's brought them some information. I think we've talked this subject out unless you do have proofs to offer.

[Ripcat]

Bah, I don't think you are thinking rationally when you compare deaths in Canadian prisons to deaths in Iranian prisons. How many political prisoners do we have locked up? How many people have we got locked up because they have an opinion different to our governments? And how many of these people have died in 'suspicious circumstances' while in custody?

[figfarmer]

What do you compare deaths in Iranian prisons to?
What do you compare deaths in Canadian prisons to?
How many people are locked up because their views are contrary to the Canadian government's?(That answer will blow you away.) There are a lot like Maher Arar where Canada has had the US do its dirty work. There are Canadians in that prison camp in the Yank base on Cuba.
How many have died in suspicious circumstances while in custody? Why don't you find out. There is a cause worthy of interest.

[ManifestDestiny]

Now the prisoners in Gitmo are Canadian? But she was not?

[figfarmer]

Either she wasn't or they are. You decide.

[ManifestDestiny]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/ ... 7846.shtml

The one Canadian Prisoner was set free after proper introgation. His head was not bashed in like a fucking watermelon. And I dont think anyone gang raped him. So unless you know better there are no more Canadian citizens at Gitmo.

[Dayseed]

Figfarmer,

Sorry, you DO work for law enforcement or you MAKE work for law enforcement?

[Donny_Brasco]

I'm going to agree with Figfarmer here.

Partly because he makes some good points and partly because I'm catching a buzz.

You know, I may be a shyt disterber here at home, and I'm prepared to suffer the consequenses of my actions here in Canada because I usually know what they will be. But when I go to the USA or CUBA I tend to relax my issues and just go with the flow. Because I don't want to piss Fidel off or some local Sherif in Hicksville Alabama and end up being their butt slaves in some dingy prison.

THis woman knew the consequenses of her actions, and even though she had a Canadian passport, and even though she didn't deserve to die, she definately put herself at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Now perhaps she is part of the .001% of the human race who will actually quazi-commit suicide for political change in this world, but I doubt it. I think she was poking around to have one of her relatives freed or to make someone else look bad or to make a big sensational story and get rich and famous.

Furthermore, this doctor said she "MAY" have had signs of being raped. Don;t you think if this guy was trying to get into Canada legally he would have said anything to make himself look good?

My point is that your Canadian passport can't protect you from the shyt that you decide to get yourself into. Now if she were standing on the street cornor innocently and got attacked by governemtn officals or police...sure, lets make that an issue. But if your stirring up the wasp's nest and get stung, don't come crying to me.