[kenmore]

Lets not forget the the majority of Quebecers are not in favour of separatism.. 2 referendums have proven that. Even the PQ say its on the "back burner" of their platform. Thats because its not popular. Most of the rhetoric from the bloc and the PQ is because they want to act in the interest of Quebec in Ottawa, much the same as the west wants representation. Quebec will always be part of Canada because it is Canada..

[saturn_656]

Tegan Tegan:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Tegan Tegan:

Do your own research

It's not my job to hunt for your sources. You are making the claim supposedly backed up by said "study", so pony up smartass or get back in the sandbox with the other kiddies.

I am older than you kid and better educated too.

You don't know jack or shit about me.

You claim to be educated yet cannot produce a source to back up your claim... thats basic high school English, being able to credit and provide your sources.

Did you finish high school?

[Axeman]

[quote="Brenda
Euhmmm... no.
Ain't workin that way, darlin... It is up to the whole country.[/quote]

And it's that sort of attitude that's made the conflict. As our friends, we ought to let Quebeckers do what they want and support their decision, but it's not non-Quebeckers' decision to make. Canada is a FREE country and that freedom ought to include the freedom to leave Confederation, stay in Confederation or change the type of Confederation.

[Streaker]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

Tegan Tegan:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

It's not my job to hunt for your sources. You are making the claim supposedly backed up by said "study", so pony up smartass or get back in the sandbox with the other kiddies.

I am older than you kid and better educated too.

You don't know jack or shit about me.

You claim to be educated yet cannot produce a source to back up your claim... thats basic high school English, being able to credit and provide your sources.

Did you finish high school?

Did you?

In fairness, finding good (academic) sources on the net and posting links to them can be pretty difficult at the best of times.

[Streaker]

Axeman Axeman:

Brenda Brenda:

Euhmmm... no.
Ain't workin that way, darlin... It is up to the whole country.

And it's that sort of attitude that's made the conflict. As our friends, we ought to let Quebeckers do what they want and support their decision, but it's not non-Quebeckers' decision to make. Canada is a FREE country and that freedom ought to include the freedom to leave Confederation, stay in Confederation or change the type of Confederation.

Sure, as long as it's the result of successfully concluded bilateral negociations between the federal and provincial governments.

No province has the right to secede unilaterally.

[Brenda]

Axeman Axeman:

Brenda Brenda:

Euhmmm... no.
Ain't workin that way, darlin... It is up to the whole country.

And it's that sort of attitude that's made the conflict. As our friends, we ought to let Quebeckers do what they want and support their decision, but it's not non-Quebeckers' decision to make. Canada is a FREE country and that freedom ought to include the freedom to leave Confederation, stay in Confederation or change the type of Confederation.

Sure. Someone wants something, just say yes to avoid conflict. Seems democratic to me.

[Axeman]

[quote="Brenda Sure. Someone wants something, just say yes to avoid conflict. Seems democratic to me.[/quote]

You don't say yes just to avoid a conflict. You say "yes" because it's something they feel strongly enough to pursue. The Federal Government isn't Quebec's daddy. It doesn't exist to exert parental power over the provinces. You say "yes" because it makes for peace and harmony. Why START a conflict when it cannot end happily for either side?

[Axeman]

Streaker Streaker:

Axeman Axeman:

Brenda Brenda:

Euhmmm... no.
Ain't workin that way, darlin... It is up to the whole country.

And it's that sort of attitude that's made the conflict. As our friends, we ought to let Quebeckers do what they want and support their decision, but it's not non-Quebeckers' decision to make. Canada is a FREE country and that freedom ought to include the freedom to leave Confederation, stay in Confederation or change the type of Confederation.

Sure, as long as it's the result of successfully concluded bilateral negociations between the federal and provincial governments.

No province has the right to secede unilaterally.

Says who? There are no rules to this. But there is common sense. If separation makes sense to Quebeckers, then they ought to be able to persue it. It's not the business of other Canadian provinces if one wants to leave. Canada is a democracy and if the people of Quebec want their own country, they can have it. It's time to stop arguing and get on with life. We would ALL do better if Quebec got what it wanted, as long as it comes calmly and peacefully.

[Brenda]

Seperation makes sense to a FEW Quebecois. Not to the majority.

It IS time to stop arguing. Quebec ain't gonna leave. Simple.

Topic locked?

[Arctic_Menace]

Axeman, no offence, but...You're an idiot.

First off, Quebec, whether some of them like it or not, is a part of Canada and therefore ALL Canadians have a say in what happens in a part of this country of ours. Anyone who says otherwise, needs to pull their head out of their ass.

[Axeman]

$1:

Axeman, no offence, but...You're an idiot.

First off, Quebec, whether some of them like it or not, is a part of Canada and therefore ALL Canadians have a say in what happens in a part of this country of ours. Anyone who says otherwise, needs to pull their head out of their ass.

How nice of you to say. Make it personal when you disagree with someone...that's the teenaged way to carry on a debate. Your "strawman" logic simply tells me that you're an uneducated boob and discussing politcs with you is like discussing fractional reserve banking with a 5 year-old.

[Streaker]

Axeman Axeman:

Streaker Streaker:

Axeman Axeman:

And it's that sort of attitude that's made the conflict. As our friends, we ought to let Quebeckers do what they want and support their decision, but it's not non-Quebeckers' decision to make. Canada is a FREE country and that freedom ought to include the freedom to leave Confederation, stay in Confederation or change the type of Confederation.

Sure, as long as it's the result of successfully concluded bilateral negociations between the federal and provincial governments.

No province has the right to secede unilaterally.

Says who?

The Supreme Court.

Axeman Axeman:

There are no rules to this. But there is common sense. If separation makes sense to Quebeckers, then they ought to be able to persue it. It's not the business of other Canadian provinces if one wants to leave. Canada is a democracy and if the people of Quebec want their own country, they can have it. It's time to stop arguing and get on with life. We would ALL do better if Quebec got what it wanted, as long as it comes calmly and peacefully.

And the best way to ensure that it would come about calmly and peacefully is for it to be the outcome of a bilateral agreement.

[Axeman]

$1:

The Supreme Court.


Axeman wrote:
There are no rules to this. But there is common sense. If separation makes sense to Quebeckers, then they ought to be able to persue it. It's not the business of other Canadian provinces if one wants to leave. Canada is a democracy and if the people of Quebec want their own country, they can have it. It's time to stop arguing and get on with life. We would ALL do better if Quebec got what it wanted, as long as it comes calmly and peacefully.

And the best way to ensure that it would come about calmly and peacefully is for it to be the outcome of a bilateral agreement.

Well, the Supreme Court ruling was only a ruling on the power of the Quebec Legislature to unilaterally make the decision. It did not rule on whether the PEOPLE of Quebec had such a right (vis-a-vis a plebicite on the issue). The way the questions were VAGUELY worded in 1980 and 1995 never really made either a true plebicite on the issue of separation. Furthermore, the Supreme Court didn't exist when Confederation took place, so it's difficult to say whether they'd have the last say or not. Of course, the BEST solution would be a bilateral agreement.

It's all kind of like the movie "The War of Roses"...What can you do to keep someone who doesn't want to stay and what can you do to leave when the other won't let you go? Ultimately, I still think that it's the people of Quebec's decision. The rest of Canada shouldn't have the power to make them stay any more than a woman wanting out of an unhappy marriage ought to be made to stay.

[Arctic_Menace]

Axeman Axeman:

$1:

Axeman, no offence, but...You're an idiot.

First off, Quebec, whether some of them like it or not, is a part of Canada and therefore ALL Canadians have a say in what happens in a part of this country of ours. Anyone who says otherwise, needs to pull their head out of their ass.

How nice of you to say. Make it personal when you disagree with someone...that's the teenaged way to carry on a debate. Your "strawman" logic simply tells me that you're an uneducated boob and discussing politcs with you is like discussing fractional reserve banking with a 5 year-old.

You're welcome. I truly believe that one should be fully honest, and the truth is that you're an idiot.

Not making it personal, just a statement of observation...

The teenaged way to carry a debate would be something more along the lines of: "Fuk U fag!LOL!", adn I'm pretty certain I don't roll like that. The cheap adn idiotic way to "carry out a debate" is what you're doing; thinking everything is a personal attack, coming on here and spouting pure nonsense with nothing to back it up, and expecting everyone to swallow it hook line and sinker without so much as calling you out on your bullshit.

Your bullshit strawman arguments(which you are using right now I might add) simply tell me that you're an ignorant hypocrite, who should really back down from accusations of uneducation, especially when a thread of this nature tends to be my forte.

[Arctic_Menace]

$1:

It's all kind of like the movie "The War of Roses"...What can you do to keep someone who doesn't want to stay and what can you do to leave when the other won't let you go?

What in the Tudor-Fucking Christ does the War of Roses have to do with Quebec seperating from Canada? It was a civil war in England due to political motive and alliances over who should ascend the English Throne...