[dino_bobba_renno]

Canadian_Mind Canadian_Mind:

Yogi Yogi:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I'm not seeing the parallel between the two cases. One involves an irresponsible smuck who has a serious problem with alcohol and the other is about a sadistic fuck who tortured his own family.

If you can't see the parallel then no amount of explaining is going to help you understand.

Anyone else care to try to explain this to Dino?

Freesing to death is a form of torture. You would know this if you've ever had bare skin exposed to snow, ice, blwoing wind at -40, frostnip/frostbite, hypothermia, or a combination of the above.

Therefore, the Dad letting the girl freeze to death is a form of torture.

I think the point I'm getting at here is that in the American case the guy committed a premeditated act over a number of years with the full intent of causing as much harm as possible. In the Canadian case there was no proof of premeditation and it also involved substance abuse, not some one who carefully planned to cause bodily harm. Sure there some faint similarities’ such as both being ethnic minorities and both involved children who suffered but beyond that it's a pretty poor comparison.

I'm not sticking up for up for the guy nor am I saying being drunk should give him a "get out of jail" ticket but the two cases are about as different as they can get.

[Yogi]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Brenda Brenda:

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

You cant lock him up for 12 years then turn him loose, at least you can give him five years of routine to stay clean.

Life without parole? Parole in 20?

It would be very hard to justify that since he poses no possible threat to the community. Personally I would love to see him sold into slavery to the highest bidder on the international market, with the money going towards a memorial for the childeren.

'No threat to the community!!! Are you kidding?? Weren't those two little babies members of the community? 'This community' is all for him getting 'a walk' even though he continues to ignore even the most basic of conditions. They have come right out and said that they still trust him! To that end, what is to stop him from murdering more children or causing the deaths of others? Because it is obvious that no deterrent will work in this situation, protection of society should be the judges only concern!

[roger-roger]

By all accounts through he is only a danger when intoxicated, so a stipulation should be made that he is to have no contact with alcohol. If he is even seen smoking outside a party where alcohol is present he should be sent back to jail.

[Yogi]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

By all accounts through he is only a danger when intoxicated, so a stipulation should be made that he is to have no contact with alcohol. If he is even seen smoking outside a party where alcohol is present he should be sent back to jail.

Not consumming alcohol was one of his bail conditions, and he breached that at least twice and is at this point in custody because of it. He doesn't give a shit about ' conditions' and obviously has no fear of consequences!

[Brenda]

Yogi Yogi:

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

By all accounts through he is only a danger when intoxicated, so a stipulation should be made that he is to have no contact with alcohol. If he is even seen smoking outside a party where alcohol is present he should be sent back to jail.

Not consumming alcohol was one of his bail conditions, and he breached that at least twice and is at this point in custody because of it. He doesn't give a shit about ' conditions' and obviously has no fear of consequences!

Which makes sense if you see what kind of community he comes from. Time to bring him out to the real world. He could be in for a shock...

[dino_bobba_renno]

What ever the sentence ends up being it should involve him being forced to go through a drug and alcohol treatment program. For any crime that involves substance abuse that should be an automatic condition.

[martin14]

Be interesting to see what the judge does.

12 and 7 isnt too much,


I'll go for 2 less a day, then back home for more fun in the sun.

[roger-roger]

Yogi Yogi:

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

By all accounts through he is only a danger when intoxicated, so a stipulation should be made that he is to have no contact with alcohol. If he is even seen smoking outside a party where alcohol is present he should be sent back to jail.

Not consumming alcohol was one of his bail conditions, and he breached that at least twice and is at this point in custody because of it. He doesn't give a shit about ' conditions' and obviously has no fear of consequences!

As far as I know stipualtions like this are treated like restraing orders, if he breaks it enough times he will spend vast amounts of time behind bars.

[saturn_656]

Yogi Yogi:

They have come right out and said that they still trust him!

Really? Someone should ask the members of this sentencing circle if they would trust him with their children.

I doubt they would.

[DrJones]

What this man did is utterly reprehensible. For denunciation and retribution alone, both principles of Canadian sentencing law, he should be sentenced to a massive term in the penitentiary. Not to mention he has a criminal record with over 50 prior entries.

What are we saying about how we value the lives of these poor children if this human cockroach isn't forced into prison for these actions? Rehabilitation is but one concern. And there are plenty of rehabilitative programs in prison for inmates who truly want to improve their lives.

[Brenda]

DrJones DrJones:

What this man did is utterly reprehensible. For denunciation and retribution alone, both principles of Canadian sentencing law, he should be sentenced to a massive term in the penitentiary. Not to mention he has a criminal record with over 50 prior entries.

What are we saying about how we value the lives of these poor children if this human cockroach isn't forced into prison for these actions? Rehabilitation is but one concern. And there are plenty of rehabilitative programs in prison for inmates who truly want to improve their lives.

[sarcasm]But he is Native! We have already done WAY too much to these poor souls! We took allllll their land, and now we are trying to bring them to justice with OUR laws, that they have never adopted!
[/sarcasm]

(huh, neither would I if I could get away with murders like these...)

[DrJones]

Brenda Brenda:

DrJones DrJones:

What this man did is utterly reprehensible. For denunciation and retribution alone, both principles of Canadian sentencing law, he should be sentenced to a massive term in the penitentiary. Not to mention he has a criminal record with over 50 prior entries.

What are we saying about how we value the lives of these poor children if this human cockroach isn't forced into prison for these actions? Rehabilitation is but one concern. And there are plenty of rehabilitative programs in prison for inmates who truly want to improve their lives.

[sarcasm]But he is Native! We have already done WAY too much to these poor souls! We took allllll their land, and now we are trying to bring them to justice with OUR laws, that they have never adopted!
[/sarcasm]

(huh, neither would I if I could get away with murders like these...)

LOL! I know you're kidding, but the fact that people actually make this argument just SICKENS me... valuing human life is a universal goal. Let's just pray this judge does the right thing and sends the right message here!

[Yogi]

DrJones DrJones:

Brenda Brenda:

DrJones DrJones:

What this man did is utterly reprehensible. For denunciation and retribution alone, both principles of Canadian sentencing law, he should be sentenced to a massive term in the penitentiary. Not to mention he has a criminal record with over 50 prior entries.

What are we saying about how we value the lives of these poor children if this human cockroach isn't forced into prison for these actions? Rehabilitation is but one concern. And there are plenty of rehabilitative programs in prison for inmates who truly want to improve their lives.

[sarcasm]But he is Native! We have already done WAY too much to these poor souls! We took allllll their land, and now we are trying to bring them to justice with OUR laws, that they have never adopted!
[/sarcasm]

(huh, neither would I if I could get away with murders like these...)

LOL! I know you're kidding, but the fact that people actually make this argument just SICKENS me... valuing human life is a universal goal. Let's just pray this judge does the right thing and sends the right message here!

Welcome to CKA Doc. PLEASE STICK AROUND! We really need a bonafide lawyer here on the boards. You're really gonna need 'thick skin' to last though!

[Brenda]

You ever met a lawyer with not a thick skin, Yogi?

[Yogi]

Brenda Brenda:

You ever met a lawyer with not a thick skin, Yogi?

Uh. Good point kiddo. I gues I kinda stated the obvious, didn't I ???