[Yogi]

I think that Canada really needs to take lessons from the judge in the American case. Though I am not surprised at the outcome of the case in Sask. I am thouroughly disgusted and disheartened.



Sat, February 14, 2009

Sentencing circle goes easy on frozen girls' father
By THE CANADIAN PRESS

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ROSE VALLEY, Sask. -- Native elders are recommending a Saskatchewan father serve a life sentence of spiritual guidance and healing instead of time behind bars for the freezing deaths of his two young girls.

During five hours of emotional discussion, most of the two dozen participants in a sentencing circle for Christopher Pauchay spoke of forgiveness and helping each other to move on.

COMMUNITY HEALING

"How can we begin a community healing if we are apart from one another - if he's not here with us?" asked elder Howard Walker.

Walker said he has worked in jails across the country and believes Pauchay can only be rehabilitated at home.




"Every day you must think of your little girls - that's punishment enough," said elder Evelyn Burns.

A barely audible Pauchay tried several times to address the circle being held in the Rose Valley town hall close to his home on the Yellow Quill First Nation.

At first, the 25-year-old managed to speak only briefly between sobs about how much he loved his girls and cared for them when they were sick.

"I'll say sorry every day of my life," he told the circle.

Later, raising his voice, he spoke about his third daughter, born a few months after the tragedy. Social Services has since put her into foster care. "That's all I had left and you took her away. My rights didn't matter," Pauchay said.

His common-law wife, Tracey Jimmy, also spoke with anger about losing her new baby, named Miracle.

Jimmy said she's also upset she can't see or talk to Pauchay because of a court restraining order. Pauchay faces a further charge of domestic assault against her.

"He was just such a good dad. I just love him and you guys are taking him away from me - the only person who can actually feel what I'm feeling," Jimmy said through tears, sitting across the circle from Pauchay. "What kind of society is that?"

It was January 2008 when Pauchay and Jimmy had an argument. Jimmy went off drinking, and Pauchay was left at home to care for their two children.

GIRLS FOUND UNDER SNOW

In the middle of the night, during a freezing blizzard, he left home with his daughters and got lost as he stumbled drunk in the snow. Kaydance, 3, and Santana, 15 months, were found hours later buried under snowdrifts.

They were wearing only diapers and T-shirts.

Pauchay pleaded guilty in November to criminal negligence causing death. His lawyer told the court he doesn't remember much of what happened that night.

Provincial court Judge Barry Morgan said he can't promise he will follow the recommendations but will consider them closely.



Polygamist locked away for torture
By AMY TAXIN, THE ASSOCIATED PRESS


MURRIETA, Calif. -- A self-proclaimed polygamist has been sentenced to life in prison by a California judge for torturing some of his 19 children and falsely imprisoning two of his three wives.

Mansa Musa Muhummed was sentenced yesterday in Riverside County Superior Court, nearly a decade after his arrest. A judge imposed seven consecutive life sentences and nearly 17 years of other prison time.

Muhummed went on trial last year after years of legal manoeuvring.

Several of his children testified that they were starved, beaten and strung up with electrical cord in the basement of their home.

Muhummed, 55, was convicted of seven counts of torture, 12 counts of child endangerment, four counts of spousal abuse and two counts of false imprisonment

[sandorski]

I'm not sure what the Ameican Judge point is abbout. Didn't follow the link, so maybe I missed it. At any rate, this is a case of gross negligence caused mostly from Alcohol consumption. I'm not sure how this judgement is going to work, but if it addresses his Drinking and is carried out the way it sounds it seems to me that it will be as effective as Jail. Perhaps even more so.

[roger-roger]

$1:

"He was just such a good dad. I just love him and you guys are taking him away from me - the only person who can actually feel what I'm feeling," Jimmy said through tears, sitting across the circle from Pauchay. "What kind of society is that?"

Someone needs to learn the definition of good, dragging your poorly clothed toddlers outside during a snow storm, while your FUCKING DRUNK IS NOT A GOOD FATHER!

The sheer rage I feel knowing that people actually feel sorry for this scrum is beyond words. I hope that the judge will do the right thing and make sure Pauchay is never around another child.

[Yogi]

sandorski sandorski:

I'm not sure what the Ameican Judge point is abbout. Didn't follow the link, so maybe I missed it. At any rate, this is a case of gross negligence caused mostly from Alcohol consumption. I'm not sure how this judgement is going to work, but if it addresses his Drinking and is carried out the way it sounds it seems to me that it will be as effective as Jail. Perhaps even more so.

FIXED. Just for you. Now maybe you can attempt to post an informed comment!

[Brenda]

Judge Morgan, be wise. Follow Canadian law...

"Thinking of what he did (while he can't remember? ) everyday is punishment enough"

EXf*ckinCUSE ME???

Please, Zig, tell me, are you still in favour of this bullshit?


(edit: ok, I quoted the quote wrongly, but hell, does it make any difference? )

[ShepherdsDog]

$1:

"Every day you must think of your little girls - that's punishment enough," said elder Evelyn Burns.

Not a fucking chance is that sufficient for what he did. he did it because he was a drunken POS and he's proven that he continues to be a drunken POS, which is why they threw his useless ass back into the slammer.

$1:

Later, raising his voice, he spoke about his third daughter, born a few months after the tragedy. Social Services has since put her into foster care. "That's all I had left and you took her away. My rights didn't matter," Pauchay said.

This useless fuck, doesn't realise that his rights don't matter. He thinking about himself, but he didn't seem too concerned about the rights of the two little girls he killed though. The best thing this worm could do is wander out into the bush and kill himself

$1:

His common-law wife, Tracey Jimmy, also spoke with anger about losing her new baby, named Miracle.

Jimmy said she's also upset she can't see or talk to Pauchay because of a court restraining order. Pauchay faces a further charge of domestic assault against her.

"He was just such a good dad. I just love him and you guys are taking him away from me - the only person who can actually feel what I'm feeling," Jimmy said through tears, sitting across the circle from Pauchay. "What kind of society is that?"

Again, what we have here is another piece of fecal material that walks upright. This stupid bitch was at a drinking party, while she was pregnant, while her boyfriend killed their children. If anything this bitch should be sterilized to prevent her from hurting anymore children. She's obviously beyond stupid and should take that walk out into the bush with her boyfriend.

[dino_bobba_renno]

I'm not seeing the parallel between the two cases. One involves an irresponsible smuck who has a serious problem with alcohol and the other is about a sadistic fuck who tortured his own family.

[Proculation]

The guy needs a therapy, not jail.

[Brenda]

Proculation Proculation:

The guy needs a therapy, not jail.

Sure, in the comfort of his own home and pub.

[roger-roger]

Proculation Proculation:

The guy needs a therapy, not jail.

You cant be serious, your saying all he needs is AA?

[Brenda]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I'm not seeing the parallel between the two cases. One involves an irresponsible smuck who has a serious problem with alcohol and the other is about a sadistic fuck who tortured his own family.

The parallel I miss is the judges sentence.

[ShepherdsDog]

Let's see any other ethnic group in Canada get away with this sort of shit.

[Yogi]

The 'paralell' is that both cases involve offenders of visible entnic minorities
, but the American Judge did not allow that fact to influence his sentence, which, by the way, is fitting, while Canadian courts continually play into it, rarely handing down sentences that could in the very least be considered punishment even by the most liberal among us!

[ShepherdsDog]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

Proculation Proculation:

The guy needs a therapy, not jail.

You cant be serious, your saying all he needs is AA?

Yeah AA

an anti aircraft gun up his ass

[Canadian_Mind]

Yogi Yogi:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I'm not seeing the parallel between the two cases. One involves an irresponsible smuck who has a serious problem with alcohol and the other is about a sadistic fuck who tortured his own family.

If you can't see the parallel then no amount of explaining is going to help you understand.

Anyone else care to try to explain this to Dino?

Freesing to death is a form of torture. You would know this if you've ever had bare skin exposed to snow, ice, blwoing wind at -40, frostnip/frostbite, hypothermia, or a combination of the above.

Therefore, the Dad letting the girl freeze to death is a form of torture.

Proculation Proculation:

The guy needs a therapy, not jail.

He needs therapy in jail.