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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

Yeah, why get mad at CEOs raking in tens of millions a year, and making bad decision after bad decision. Let's go after the working shmoes. It must be their fault.

Sorry Zip,their both to blame.Both are running on greed and what's best for members or their shareholders.

The CEO's get paid the big bucks to make a profit for the shareholders and they can allways go somewhere else and do follow the money.

So if you want to lay blame then the guys buying the shares are expecting 10% return on their investments,try them.

The unions obligation is to do what's best for their members.
The managements obligation is to keep the stockholders happy.
They have a process to deal with problems called binding arbitration.Maybe the public should be in on this one as it's our dollars going to keep these fatcat ceo's and the bloated union workforce in the green they are so accustomed to.

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dog77_1999 dog77_1999:

Unions are good for promoting a safe working environment. I think that even today they still do wonders. Now when they start trying to do jack up their wages, it falls apart.

You have the right to refuse unsafe work and can not be dismissed for it,why do you think you need a union to tell you how to do your work without cutting off your fingers or maiming yourself?

[RUEZ]

ziggy ziggy:

dog77_1999 dog77_1999:

Unions are good for promoting a safe working environment. I think that even today they still do wonders. Now when they start trying to do jack up their wages, it falls apart.

You have the right to refuse unsafe work and can not be dismissed for it,why do you think you need a union to tell you how to do your work without cutting off your fingers or maiming yourself?

In the last two places I've worked, Canfor and CN Rail, the unions have not been involved in safety in the least. The driving force behind safety is the company. Not only because they don't want you injured which means they have to train someone else to take your place, but the premiums for wcb go up immensely for every injury. Not to mention that if they are found liable they can be fined or sued. In my experience unions have been concerned with two things, benefits, specifically the pension plan, and wages.

I've also worked at non-union companies that were just as concerned with safety as union shops.

[travior]

Like I've said in previous posts, being from South Carolina, my views on unions are almost always going to be negative. There are only a handfull in the state. Unions are one reason that we have as much industry and employment as we do. Many industries moved operations here from the New England area to get away from the unions.

Wages here are competative and the cost of living is reasonable compaired to wages. As far as work safety is concerned, OSHA is there for that purpose.

The company I work for has good health insurance, a good 401k plan, good vacation, high rate of profit sharing and an average 3-4% cost-of-living raise each year. And the best part is, no unions or union dues.

I agree that CEO wages should be more in-line and directly tied to company performance. I also think that companies should be heavily penalized for each and every job outsourced to a foreign country.

[Scape]

And what about companies like Goldman Sachs’s that offshore their revenue and only get 1% tax while at the same time get billions in taxpayer bailouts? At least the Unions pay taxes...

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mtbr mtbr:

wheres the oil industry bailout?, 10 000 newfies will be home by spring

Hope it's not too late,I had to pay myself out of my buss. account today to do some xmas shopping and had to fork over a couple hun for EI and I cant even collect it even though I'm not working right now.

That's the way it is in the real world,you dont drum up work for yourself then your on your own.

No one's going to bail me out and I dont expect it.
I was through the recession of the late 70's and the NEP and oil crisis.
I went broke a few times but bounced back.

Maybe some people that didnt go through that rough economic period need to experience it for themselves to truly appreciate it.
Try buying a place at 21% interest rate at $8.00/hourlike I did back then.

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RUEZ RUEZ:

ziggy ziggy:

dog77_1999 dog77_1999:

Unions are good for promoting a safe working environment. I think that even today they still do wonders. Now when they start trying to do jack up their wages, it falls apart.

You have the right to refuse unsafe work and can not be dismissed for it,why do you think you need a union to tell you how to do your work without cutting off your fingers or maiming yourself?

In the last two places I've worked, Canfor and CN Rail, the unions have not been involved in safety in the least. The driving force behind safety is the company. Not only because they don't want you injured which means they have to train someone else to take your place, but the premiums for wcb go up immensely for every injury. Not to mention that if they are found liable they can be fined or sued. In my experience unions have been concerned with two things, benefits, specifically the pension plan, and wages.

I've also worked at non-union companies that were just as concerned with safety as union shops.

I set my own WCB rate,you can bet safety is the #1 thing on my mind as I dont pay the big premium so wont get much if I get hurt.The more you make,the more your employer has to pay.

[Zipperfish]

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Sorry Zip,their both to blame.Both are running on greed and what's best for members or their shareholders.

I agree 100%. However, it seems to be the view of many on the right that the union should shoulder the entire blame.

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The CEO's get paid the big bucks to make a profit for the shareholders and they can allways go somewhere else and do follow the money.

Problem is--they weren't making big bucks. Their companies have been suffering for many years and they were still making hundreds of time what the average worker made.

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Zipperfish Zipperfish:

ziggy ziggy:

Sorry Zip,their both to blame.Both are running on greed and what's best for members or their shareholders.

I agree 100%. However, it seems to be the view of many on the right that the union should shoulder the entire blame.

$1:

The CEO's get paid the big bucks to make a profit for the shareholders and they can allways go somewhere else and do follow the money.

Problem is--they weren't making big bucks. Their companies have been suffering for many years and they were still making hundreds of time what the average worker made.

I'm sure were going to see the CEO's wage's soon,hope so.

If there's gonna be a bailout I want to see where my tax dollars are going.

[StuntmanMike]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

ziggy ziggy:

I agree 100%. However, it seems to be the view of many on the right that the union should shoulder the entire blame.

That's true. It's not the unions that have brought the Detroit Three to their knees, it's the executives who decided to build cars that people aren't buying.

[Sapio]

I'm wondering were the tax payer bailout is. We pay all this tax and the government hand it out is if it is theirs. We are not some type of magic bank that just gives up money. The government treats us like some resource they can take advantage of.

[HaRdLy]

Where are the bailouts for the mining sector? I was told on Thursday that my contract with my employer won't be renewed because of what is going on with the economy.

Far as I'm concerned the CAW go to hell. I'd take a job working at one of the car manufacturers for 1/2 the money, with half the benefits and be more then happy.

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HaRdLy HaRdLy:

Where are the bailouts for the mining sector? I was told on Thursday that my contract with my employer won't be renewed because of what is going on with the economy.

Far as I'm concerned the CAW go to hell. I'd take a job working at one of the car manufacturers for 1/2 the money, with half the benefits and be more then happy.

Usually the way they do it is to give them exploration grants.I expect to see the coal mines go into a slump,it's happening allready in the BC coalfields and the diamond mines in the north are suddenly facing a grim outlook.The elk valley coal corp. just stopped hiring and i imagine there will be rotating shut downs like in the early 80's.

Back then if the companies didnt break their contract and sell coal to the Chinese at a cheaper price they just wouldnt send the boat.

[Sapio]

HaRdLy HaRdLy:

Where are the bailouts for the mining sector? I was told on Thursday that my contract with my employer won't be renewed because of what is going on with the economy.

That is one of the many problems with the bailout idea. Once you bailout one you have to bailout all of them. How can you just bailout the auto industry and say no help for the others. NOTHING is to big to fail. NO BAILOUTS.

[Zipperfish]

If you're in mining, you have my sympathy. I've got a lot of friends in that business and they are looking pretty grim these days.