[PublicAnimalNo9]

sandorski sandorski:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

sandorski sandorski:

The dude has Robbed the US Taxpayer of $1million+. He is no "Patriot".

Either is Reid. I gotta wonder how a lifetime civil servant, born into poverty, who in his best years earned $193,000/yr, became worth an estimated $10 million.

When Reid became Senate majority leader he managed to get $18 million set aside to build a bridge across the Colorado River between Laughlin, Nev., and Bullhead City, Ariz., a project that wasn’t a priority for either state’s transportation agency. His ownership of 160 acres of land nearby that stood to appreciate considerably from the project had nothing to do with the decision, according to one of his aides.

That land he owned by the way he got for a literal steal. Despite the recent assessed value of the land prior to his purchase, he only paid one tenth of its value, a whopping $166/acre for land that was worth at least $1600/acre at the time.

To put it this way, Harry Reid spent $18 million in taxpayer dollars to build a bridge no one needed so that he could sell land he paid around $10,000 for, for over a million dollars.

But yeah, Bundy is the real thief here.

right back at ya.

moot

Not at all. It's called hypocrisy. Maybe you should look up the definition. Let's put it this way, when you, as a federal public servant have robbed the taxpayer of $18 million to build a bridge no one needed to suit your own personal financial ends, you have ZERO moral high ground to stand on when complaining about someone else who allegedly owes the taxpayer $1 million.

[andyt]

Let's assume what you say is absolutely true, has no political spin whatsoever. (very doubtful) How does that excuse Bundy? Does that mean every taxpayer should not pay their taxes? I bet there are a lot of marginal businesses in the US that would not go under if the didn't have to pay taxes and fees of all sorts. Our pols in Canada also have been known to line their own pockets or spend useless gravy in their riding to get reelected. Can I take up guns and graze my cattle in Stanley Park? Hell, I'll grow pot there instead, in for a penny, in for a pound. Your argument seems to be if he does it I can do it too. Not much of a way to build a society. If Reid did something illegal, go after him too. If he just did something unethical, vote him out of office next election. None of that is a reason to let Bundy continue his flouting of the law.

[sandorski]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

sandorski sandorski:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Either is Reid. I gotta wonder how a lifetime civil servant, born into poverty, who in his best years earned $193,000/yr, became worth an estimated $10 million.

When Reid became Senate majority leader he managed to get $18 million set aside to build a bridge across the Colorado River between Laughlin, Nev., and Bullhead City, Ariz., a project that wasn’t a priority for either state’s transportation agency. His ownership of 160 acres of land nearby that stood to appreciate considerably from the project had nothing to do with the decision, according to one of his aides.

That land he owned by the way he got for a literal steal. Despite the recent assessed value of the land prior to his purchase, he only paid one tenth of its value, a whopping $166/acre for land that was worth at least $1600/acre at the time.

To put it this way, Harry Reid spent $18 million in taxpayer dollars to build a bridge no one needed so that he could sell land he paid around $10,000 for, for over a million dollars.

But yeah, Bundy is the real thief here.

right back at ya.

moot

Not at all. It's called hypocrisy. Maybe you should look up the definition. Let's put it this way, when you, as a federal public servant have robbed the taxpayer of $18 million to build a bridge no one needed to suit your own personal financial ends, you have ZERO moral high ground to stand on when complaining about someone else who allegedly owes the taxpayer $1 million.

Still moot. Whether Reid broke the Law or what should be a Law has no bearing on whether Bundy broke the Law and should face consequences for it. At best all you can claim is that Reid is not a Patriot either.

[sandorski]

andyt andyt:

Let's assume what you say is absolutely true, has no political spin whatsoever. (very doubtful) How does that excuse Bundy? Does that mean every taxpayer should not pay their taxes? I bet there are a lot of marginal businesses in the US that would not go under if the didn't have to pay taxes and fees of all sorts. Our pols in Canada also have been known to line their own pockets or spend useless gravy in their riding to get reelected. Can I take up guns and graze my cattle in Stanley Park? Hell, I'll grow pot there instead, in for a penny, in for a pound. Your argument seems to be if he does it I can do it too. Not much of a way to build a society. If Reid did something illegal, go after him too. If he just did something unethical, vote him out of office next election. None of that is a reason to let Bundy continue his flouting of the law.

Indeed.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

andyt andyt:

Let's assume what you say is absolutely true, has no political spin whatsoever. (very doubtful)

Of course it's doubtful to you. In your messed up world no Liberal would ever rip off the taxpayer for his own personal ends.

andyt andyt:

How does that excuse Bundy? Does that mean every taxpayer should not pay their taxes? I bet there are a lot of marginal businesses in the US that would not go under if the didn't have to pay taxes and fees of all sorts. Our pols in Canada also have been known to line their own pockets or spend useless gravy in their riding to get reelected. Can I take up guns and graze my cattle in Stanley Park? Hell, I'll grow pot there instead, in for a penny, in for a pound. Your argument seems to be if he does it I can do it too. Not much of a way to build a society. If Reid did something illegal, go after him too. If he just did something unethical, vote him out of office next election. None of that is a reason to let Bundy continue his flouting of the law.

Holy fuck andy, your comprehension skills are going to shit. My argument IS, when you've stolen $18 million from the taxpayer for your own personal ends, you have zero moral high ground to point at and complain about someone else who owes the taxpayer $1 million.

$1:

I bet there are a lot of marginal businesses in the US that would not go under if the didn't have to pay taxes and fees of all sorts.

A couple of pages back I left a link with a PDF file. The link explains how farms and ranches are being forced out of business by govt legislation. Most of those are the family owned, independent farms. In fact, about half of the farms and ranches that were in existence prior to 1980 have been forced out of business as a result of govt legislation, NOT free market forces.
If providing food is no longer a sustainable business model for anyone but the large, corporate factory farms, we're all in a LOT of trouble.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

sandorski sandorski:

Still moot. Whether Reid broke the Law or what should be a Law has no bearing on whether Bundy broke the Law and should face consequences for it. At best all you can claim is that Reid is not a Patriot either.

I never claimed it had any bearing. Jesus dude, do you suffer from the same affliction as andy? Reid has been shooting off his mouth about Bundy while actually being a far worse thieving piece of shit than Bundy could ever hope to be, while the leftard bobble heads nod sagely in agreement at his comments about Bundy.

What WOULD have made the point moot is if Reid had just kept his goddam yap shut in the first place. However, his comments have made HIS activities quite relevant and far from being moot.

[andyt]

@PA9Who cares about Harry Reid? You're just trying to use him as an excuse for Bundy's actions, which is a total Sandorski. Why else would you keep bringing him up?

AS for your first sentence, you really are flailing about, aren't you?

Govt legislation has put all sorts of businesses out of business. Often for very good reasons. IF your model involves using public land without paying for it, well, you should not be in that business. I'm hearing Robert Zimmerman making a comment about this in the back of my head.

[PluggyRug]

andyt andyt:

@PA9Who cares about Harry Reid? You're just trying to use him as an excuse for Bundy's actions, which is a total Sandorski. Why else would you keep bringing him up?

Cmon Andy do try to keep up.

http://buzzpo.com/breaking-news-harry-r ... land-grab/

[andyt]

right back at ya:

$1:

Spurious Cattle Conspiracy Dodges Facts But Still Lands On Fox News
Debunked Theory Accused Sen. Harry Reid Of Collaborating With Chinese Firm In Corrupt "Land Grab" "Whether it's true or not, we have to wait to see."

That's the caveat Fox News legal correspondent Bob Massi provided to viewers after reporting a baseless conspiracy theory about the government's motivation for enforcing the law against a Nevada cattle rancher who has been defying court orders for decades.

Mythbusting

Despite the obvious partisan gain to be had if Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's son Rory (a failed 2010 Nevada gubernatorial candidate) had somehow been involved in a "land grab" affecting the Bundy family ranch operation--the facts just do not pan out as such. Indeed, Rory Reid did in fact have a hand in plans to reclassify federal lands for renewable energy developments. Just northeast of Las Vegas and Nellis Air Force Base, plans were drawn by Reid allies to potentially develop 5,717 acres of land for such use. While it would be fair to claim that such activity was in Bundy's relative neighborhood, the federal lands once leased by the family were more than 20 miles away, east of Overton, Nevada. Contrasting maps offered by InfoWars and those entered into federal court record prove such a theory to be a stretch.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/14 ... sti/198880

Bundy hasn't been paying his grazing fees since the 90's - that's quite some cornspiracy for Reid to get him to do that so he could grab the land in 2014. Hope you've got a good supply of tin foil at hand, the rays may be getting thru to you.

[2Cdo]

I personally think if you were to trace BLM's mandate back to Bush, andy and sandorski would be leading the rally for Bundy. But happening under Obamas watch gets them a free pass.

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's the Trifecta team on this issue. They're right on, as usual.

[martin14]

2Cdo 2Cdo:

I personally think if you were to trace BLM's mandate back to Bush, andy and sandorski would be leading the rally for Bundy. But happening under Obamas watch gets them a free pass.

And Reid using his position for corruption and personal profit = oh, good for him.

[BartSimpson]

Turns out the BLM was slaughtering the cattle and then trying to cover up their crimes by burying the evidence on land they were trying to steal from the rancher.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1220627/bundy- ... ic-images/

$1:

Bundy ranch family members and friends spent much of their weekend moving cattle shot or run to death during the BLM standoff earlier this month. The graphic images have gone viral online, shocking both rancher and animal advocates alike.

The first mass cattle graves photos released by Cliven Bundy and his supporters on Sunday appear to substantiate reports by witnesses who first reported the cattle deaths. Nevada assemblywoman Michel Fiore was among those who maintained that BLM agents either killed cattle by either shooting them or running them to death during the Bunkerville incident. Fiore posted several images of the cow grave on Twitter last night, labeling the posting, “#BLM massacre. This isn’t how you herd cattle.”

[N_Fiddledog]

Yeah, cause if it's really about collecting the debt, what's this about?



How much debt to you collect burying cattle Harrry? Who's the terrorist again?

[Delwin]

The bulls were spooked. They posed a threat to the BLM workers who were just trying to do their job. It is a sad tragedy that could have been avoided if not for the activities of the scofflaw freeloading kook.