[saturn_656]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

Again I just want to make it clear, you are saying that there is a social pecking order here, with soldier at the top?

Im not say the military isnt important, it is one of the most valuable services a government can provide. However I dont feel that a soldier choice to put himself in harms way is more worthy than someone who faces similar risks. The soldier may put himself in harm’s way for the fisherman, the farmer, or the steelworker, but it is the fisherman and farmers that give him the food in his rations and the steelworker who makes the vehicle that protects him. They are all equally important.

I wouldn't say soldiers are "better" than other people, but there is no denying that a soldier is made of tougher stuff than the average bear.

There are very few professions that face similar risks as professional soliders, an occupation where you damn well know you are going to be in harms way and may not see tomorrow.

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Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

You might give them a greater social value, I dont.

In their occupation, yes. And it's not just me you're disagreeing with. You're (unwittingly, I grant you) thinking counter to 50 years of Labour Economics theory. Maybe the store clerk spends his weekends reading to shut-ins at the children's hospital. If so, then he's creating positive external benefit to society. Rewinding VHS tapes and directing folks to the latest Sandra Bullock comedy ain't doin' it though.

[novachick]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

Again I just want to make it clear, you are saying that there is a social pecking order here, with soldier at the top?

Im not say the military isnt important, it is one of the most valuable services a government can provide. However I dont feel that a soldier choice to put himself in harms way is more worthy than someone who faces similar risks. The soldier may put himself in harm’s way for the fisherman, the farmer, or the steelworker, but it is the fisherman and farmers that give him the food in his rations and the steelworker who makes the vehicle that protects him. They are all equally important.

I'm not saying there is a social pecking order. I am saying I RESPECT and HONOR what they do for society.

[EyeBrock]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

You might give them a greater social value, I dont.

Step up and sign up if you think there is no difference.

Everybody has a role in a functioning society.
Some roles have more hazards than others. Some roles require more sacrifices, training and commitment than others.

If you think that a Rogers Video clerk and an infantry soldier are interchangeable then you should do the head shake thing.

It might be fun for you to mull over the 'social pecking order' but as Novachick so succinctly said:

"You must have missed all the caskets of our men and women being repatriated."

Now if you think that Rogers can deploy field ready combat infantry/store clerks in order to carry out our commitments under NATO, I'm sure the DnD would appreciate the input.

That aside it displays a rank disrespect to classify the sacrifices and efforts of those Canadians that serve as some high school project on “Who deserves more respect, the Rogers clerk or the infantry soldier in Afghanistan?”

I think the Canadian people have spoken on that one, despite you and derby.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

You might give them a greater social value, I dont.

Step up and sign up if you think there is no difference.

Everybody has a role in a functioning society.
Some roles have more hazards than others. Some roles require more sacrifices, training and commitment than others.

If you think that a Rogers Video clerk and an infantry soldier are interchangeable then you should do the head shake thing.

It might be fun for you to mull over the 'social pecking order' but as Novachick so succinctly said:

"You must have missed all the caskets of our men and women being repatriated."

Now if you think that Rogers can deploy field ready combat infantry/store clerks in order to carry out our commitments under NATO, I'm sure the DnD would appreciate the input.

That aside it displays a rank disrespect to classify the sacrifices and efforts of those Canadians that serve as some high school project on “Who deserves more respect, the Rogers clerk or the infantry soldier in Afghanistan?”

I think the Canadian people have spoken on that one, despite you and derby.

In other words unless somebody holds the belief that the CF members are superior to all other Canadians they in fact disrespect them.

Why don't you do everybody a favour and draw up a little flow chart detailing what Canadians are inferior to others. It would be nice to have a frame of reference so that the Canadian people all know where they sit level wise.

[EyeBrock]

Personally, I think that the guy who goes outside the wire is worth more than the one who stays in.

Logic? Which one is hardest to replace? The combat infantry soldier or the clerk?

If the clerk gets taken out by a stray mortar shell, the infantry guy's pay will be a week late.
If the infantry guy isn't there, the clerk is history.

Be as PC as you want, the guys with big guns keep the clerks safe.

Endex.

[EyeBrock]

DerbyX DerbyX:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

You might give them a greater social value, I dont.

Step up and sign up if you think there is no difference.

Everybody has a role in a functioning society.
Some roles have more hazards than others. Some roles require more sacrifices, training and commitment than others.

If you think that a Rogers Video clerk and an infantry soldier are interchangeable then you should do the head shake thing.

It might be fun for you to mull over the 'social pecking order' but as Novachick so succinctly said:

"You must have missed all the caskets of our men and women being repatriated."

Now if you think that Rogers can deploy field ready combat infantry/store clerks in order to carry out our commitments under NATO, I'm sure the DnD would appreciate the input.

That aside it displays a rank disrespect to classify the sacrifices and efforts of those Canadians that serve as some high school project on “Who deserves more respect, the Rogers clerk or the infantry soldier in Afghanistan?”

I think the Canadian people have spoken on that one, despite you and derby.

In other words unless somebody holds the belief that the CF members are superior to all other Canadians they in fact disrespect them.

Why don't you do everybody a favour and draw up a little flow chart detailing what Canadians are inferior to others. It would be nice to have a frame of reference so that the Canadian people all know where they sit level wise.

derby, you are way too nuts these days to even debate with.

[DerbyX]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

I have never said they were interchangeable, just that one does not have more value than the other. A video store clerk’s job is less dangerous, that is why he is making $10.50 an hour. A soldier’s job is more dangerous overseas which is why he gets, Danger Pay, HLTA, Pre Deployment Leave, Post Deployment Leave and decompression in a 5 star resort in Cyprus for a week. If you are arguing that a soldier has more worth than a civilian then you must also argue that a RMS Clerk has less value then an Infanteer, or that someone from JTF2 has more worth than the same Infanteer.

He's just trolling. This would be one of the people making the comments I alluded to in my Blue_Nose comment. It went pretty much the same as this is.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

derby, you are way too nuts these days to even debate with.

Right back at you sunshine.

[EyeBrock]

Derby,I try and keep logic close. That's all I will say on this with thee.

[DerbyX]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Derby,I try and keep logic close. That's all I will say on this with thee.

No you aren't keeping logic close. You are making an emotional argument whereby you plainly say that anybody who doesn't hold your belief that the military should be placed on a pedestal above other Canadians means that they disrespect them or hate them or other such thing.

Its a knee-jerk emotional response without even attempting to decipher Mad_Bombers or mines argument.

'nuff said.

[EyeBrock]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

You have your point of view I have mine, we are not going to convince each other, we just see the world differently.

Apparently.

The difference is that my point of view is defended by the RCR , the Royal Marines, the US Marines and the US Army, with help from the Royal Netherlands Army and of course the RAR( Royal Australians).

Yours is defended by Rogers Video and derbyx. Good-oh.

[EyeBrock]

DerbyX DerbyX:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Derby,I try and keep logic close. That's all I will say on this with thee.

No you aren't keeping logic close. You are making an emotional argument whereby you plainly say that anybody who doesn't hold your belief that the military should be placed on a pedestal above other Canadians means that they disrespect them or hate them or other such thing.

Its a knee-jerk emotional response without even attempting to decipher Mad_Bombers or mines argument.

'nuff said.

Bollocks. I just believe that our efforts in Afghanistan are better served by the RCR than Rogers Video clerks.