[DerbyX]

lily lily:

$1:

The asinine statement about some not choosing the military for a career because they love their children more than those who do serve, is par for the course.

That would be an awesome point if someone had actually said that.

Especially when others have made asinine comments that joining the military somehow makes somebody a greater Canadian or that they are serving their country more then the rest of us humble law abiding tax paying citizens working to make the country better.

[novachick]

lily lily:

$1:

The asinine statement about some not choosing the military for a career because they love their children more than those who do serve, is par for the course.

That would be an awesome point if someone had actually said that.

What matters is it was said and well spoken!

[novachick]

DerbyX DerbyX:

lily lily:

$1:

The asinine statement about some not choosing the military for a career because they love their children more than those who do serve, is par for the course.

That would be an awesome point if someone had actually said that.

Especially when others have made asinine comments that joining the military somehow makes somebody a greater Canadian or that they are serving their country more then the rest of us humble law abiding tax paying citizens working to make the country better.

I don't think I said it made them a greater Canadian, just that they made greater sacrifice for their country. Military, law enforcement, firefighters etc all make great sacrifice to serve and protect us. Personally they're my hero's and I don't apologize for that.

[DerbyX]

novachick novachick:

I don't think I said it made them a greater Canadian, just that they made greater sacrifice for their country. Military, law enforcement, firefighters etc all make great sacrifice to serve and protect us. Personally they're my hero's and I don't apologize for that.

You didn't and I never thought you did. This goes back to the time of Blue_nose where others said exactly that. Also, no they didn't not do make a greater sacrifice. We are all a country equally and the farmer growing the food we eat is no better then the miner getting the resources we use to build infrastructure nor the teachers, doctors, janitors, etc.

Nobody should apologize for their career choice nor should somebody be made to feel a lesser person and/or Canadian because they choose not to have a career in the military or law enforcement or firefighter.

[novachick]

DerbyX DerbyX:

novachick novachick:

I don't think I said it made them a greater Canadian, just that they made greater sacrifice for their country. Military, law enforcement, firefighters etc all make great sacrifice to serve and protect us. Personally they're my hero's and I don't apologize for that.

You didn't and I never thought you did. This goes back to the time of Blue_nose where others said exactly that. Also, no they didn't not do make a greater sacrifice. We are all a country equally and the farmer growing the food we eat is no better then the miner getting the resources we use to build infrastructure nor the teachers, doctors, janitors, etc.

Nobody should apologize for their career choice nor should somebody be made to feel a lesser person and/or Canadian because they choose not to have a career in the military or law enforcement or firefighter.

I can agree we are all equal, I can't agree the sacrifice made by the farmer etc is equal to that of a soldier, police officer etc...

[DerbyX]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

That sounds vaguely communist...

I agree though, it really comes down to a personal view of your job. Some people see their job as a representation of themselves, others just see it as a means to get cash.

Personally I dont care what your job is, you want to flip burgers all your life great, if you want to be a prime minister great, if you want to be a career criminal cool... ultimately its up to you to look into that mirror at the end of the day.

Only if you don't really know what communism is. I'm not advocating an economic policy in my statement, I'm simply not bestowing levels of Canadianess based on job title.

[DerbyX]

novachick novachick:

I can agree we are all equal, I can't agree the sacrifice made by the farmer etc is equal to that of a soldier, police officer etc...

Certain jobs have different requirements. Mine requires me to deal with other peoples blood, urine, feces, and various other fluids and tissues. My job also requires me to work nights. There are certain health risk factors associated with that not the least of which I have to try and sleep during the day. So do a lot of other jobs.

A lot of people sacrifice a lot for their job and if they don't accept it then they can pursue another vocation.

Sorry but I just don't like the implication that puts certain jobs above others. Its way to easy for people to start thinking they are better then others and when that happens it often leads to them treating them like that.

[DerbyX]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

I guess "vauge" and "it is" can be confused sorry for the miss communication.

What I ment to say was, it sounds something like the social mindset that communist russia had towards a persons career. (ie a janitor should be paid the same amount as a doctor or a scientist)

Like I said. It only sounds like it if you don't really understand communism and believe me we have that aplenty here with many right wingers saying the Libs and NDPers are communist.

If I said that all people are not equal under capitalism (using the same analogy) wouldn't I be wrong as I wasn't equating capitalism properly?

[DerbyX]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

I always understood communism as a socioeconomic structure, ie Marxisim, which is what I feel we are eluding too.

Thats the problem right there. Marxism isn't communism. Religion also says "all men are created equal". In fact I think most people in our society tend to think that way.

[novachick]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

I dont know, they both have to get up early, work long hours. The main difference I see is that the farmer is around his family more and the military gets paid better. I get your point though, I think a better comparison would be the sacrifces a clerk at rogers video makes verses a soldier or a farmer.

You must have missed all the caskets of our men and women being repatriated.

[Lemmy]

novachick novachick:

You must have missed all the caskets of our men and women being repatriated.

[Lemmy]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

So because a soldier can die in Afghanistan, his death carries more weight than say a convience clerk shot in a robbery? It's an interesting point of view, I dont hold it, but interesting none the less.

The clerk getting shot in the line of duty is a new angle you've just added. I would praise that brave soul's sacrifice too. He's standing on the line, protecting all Canadians from un-rewound VHS tapes.

[novachick]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

So because a soldier can die in Afghanistan, his death carries more weight than say a convience clerk shot in a robbery? It's an interesting point of view, I dont hold it, but interesting none the less.

A clerk shot in a robbery dies because a crime has been committed. A soldier dies because of what he stands for, he dies in the name of our country. If the clerk had known he would be shot because he went to work that day, he wouldn't have gone. The soldier would have went anyway.

[novachick]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

Going to work knowing your going to die isnt noble its suicide, a soldier going to Afghanistan should realise that he has a chance of dying, the same also applies to convience store clerks. Im not sure about Canada, but I remember hearing that next to snow crab fishermen, convience store clerk is the most dangerous job in the states.

A soldier knows everyday he has a chance of dying. The difference between the soldier, the clerk, the fisherman? The soldier is risking his life so we, our children don't have to, the soldier leaves his family so we don't have to. He protects our country and our way of life. He protects the fisherman and the clerk so they have the option to choose the job with danger. He protects their right to choose how to live. If you took the Canadian forces out of the equation how long do you suppose it would be before our way of life , our security was altered.

[Lemmy]

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

I see so soldier's who fight in Afghanistan and more important than people who work in convience stores.

More important? That's hard to quantify, but is the soldier in Afghanastan's job a) more difficult? yes, b) more dangerous? yes c) more vital to Canada, its security and contribution to the world community? yes.

Mad_Bomber Mad_Bomber:

I just want to see if you will admit that you feel there is a class structure here. I think I can really see your point on this Derby.

It's not a "class"-thing, it's a "utility"-thing. A soldier's contributions to Canadian society surpass those of a store clerk. A doctor's utility to society surpasses that of a truck-driver.