[N_Fiddledog]

Israel says has evidence 47% of Gaza dead were combatants


http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/08/0 ... IB20140802

[N_Fiddledog]

[2Cdo]

andyt andyt:

2Cdo 2Cdo:

desertdude desertdude:

And only info we have about it is from the IDF, which we know is full of bullshit.

But of course, meanwhile Hamas would never do anything wrong or lie about anything.

I don't think he actually said that. So no criticism of IDF bullshit because Hamas does it too? Does that work in reverse?

No he didn't say it but it was implied.

[Delwin]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Israel says has evidence 47% of Gaza dead were combatants


http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/08/0 ... IB20140802

I'd like to read this. It's a bad link. Maybe it didn't pass the editor smell test?

[martin14]

Delwin Delwin:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Israel says has evidence 47% of Gaza dead were combatants


http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/08/0 ... IB20140802

I'd like to read this. It's a bad link. Maybe it didn't pass the editor smell test?

Link works fine.

Maybe your computer should be upgraded past windows 98.

[andyt]

desertdude desertdude:

And only info we have about it is from the IDF, which we know is full of bullshit.

2Cdo 2Cdo:

But of course, meanwhile Hamas would never do anything wrong or lie about anything.

andyt andyt:

I don't think he actually said that. So no criticism of IDF bullshit because Hamas does it too? Does that work in reverse?

2Cdo 2Cdo:

No he didn't say it but it was implied.

In your universe, maybe. DD has not love lost for Hamas, so I don't see how you came to your conclusion. It is actually possible to be critical of both Israel and the Palestinians. Since this board leans so strongly pro-Israel, that just means people who are more even handed spend their time rebutting the Israel ueber alles fervor on here.

[Goober911]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Goober911 Goober911:

Just asking as all I heard was the threat of the tunnels. Yes they were, but no surprise.
Israel dropped the ball big time.

I'm not sure what you mean by "dropped the ball big time". Do you mean that because they, like the rest of us knew of some tunnels. they should have therefore made greater efforts to discover the full extent? Very well, you're in charge. How do you do that?

I imagine Mossad was already on the case. How would they have discovered the plans for the Rosh Hassanah terror tunnel massacre under your leadership? What would you have them do that you don't think they did?

I ain't in charge.
As to how they found that tunnel, I do not know. Could be blind luck for all we know
Dropped the ball= Failure.
Reports were made for years, money was spent. It must have been assigned a low priority.

[N_Fiddledog]

Goober911 Goober911:

Reports were made for years, money was spent. It must have been assigned a low priority.

That much I agree with. I read one where some Israeli was talking about making a report and having it, not so much ignored, as de-emphasized.

It's the "big time" part of your statement I would have a problem with, and "failure", I don't know. What would you consider success? Where are those tunnels now?

The possibility of tunnels wasn't what they missed. They missed extent. The missed extent of the tunnel city that had been created in (best guess says) two years previous, and the full on madness of what Hamas planned to do with those yes, terror tunnels.

Here's a thing. Even if they had known, what could they have done about it? They might have had to wait for an opportunity to go in with ground forces, or even created one. That's the kind of thing that makes a conspiracy freak go hmmmm...false flag anybody? Maybe they did know.

[Goober911]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Goober911 Goober911:

Reports were made for years, money was spent. It must have been assigned a low priority.

That much I agree with. I read one where some Israeli was talking about making a report and having it, not so much ignored, as de-emphasized.

It's the "big time" part of your statement I would have a problem with, and "failure", I don't know. What would you consider success? Where are those tunnels now?

The possibility of tunnels wasn't what they missed. They missed extent. The missed extent of the tunnel city that had been created in (best guess says) two years previous, and the full on madness of what Hamas planned to do with those yes, terror tunnels.

Here's a thing. Even if they had known, what could they have done about it? They might have had to wait for an opportunity to go in with ground forces, or even created one. That's the kind of thing that makes a conspiracy freak go hmmmm...false flag anybody? Maybe they did know.

Good points made

[andyt]

Strike near UN school a 'criminal act,' says Ban Ki-moon

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-strik ... -1.2726449


The U.S. State Department also chimed in saying it was "appalled" by the "disgraceful shelling." Little bit of arf arf arf even from Fido. Not to worry, the tail will wag him straight soon enough.

[BRAH]

martin14 martin14:

Delwin Delwin:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Israel says has evidence 47% of Gaza dead were combatants


http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/08/0 ... IB20140802

I'd like to read this. It's a bad link. Maybe it didn't pass the editor smell test?

Link works fine.

Maybe your computer should be upgraded past windows 98.

Whoa, don't be hating on Windows 98.

[PluggyRug]

BRAH BRAH:

Link works fine.

$1:

Maybe your computer should be upgraded past DOS.

Whoa, don't be hating on Windows 98.

Fixed.

[BRAH]

PluggyRug PluggyRug:

BRAH BRAH:

Link works fine.

$1:

Maybe your computer should be upgraded past DOS.

Whoa, don't be hating on Windows 98.

Fixed.

Whoa, I've used DOS based software and found it more efficient and reliable than something like ADP.

[desertdude]

By Moshe Feiglin, a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party and deputy speaker of the Knesset

$1:

With God’s Help

Attention

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

Mr. Prime Minister,

We have just heard that Hamas has used the ceasefire to abduct an officer. It turns out that this operation is not about to be over any too soon.

The failures of this operation were inherent to it from the outset, because:

a) It has no proper and clear goal;
b) there is no appropriate moral framework to support our soldiers.

What is required now is that we internalize the fact that Oslo is finished, that this is our country – our country exclusively, including Gaza.

There are no two states, and there are no two peoples. There is only one state for one people.

Having internalized this, what is needed is a deep and thorough strategic review, in terms of the definition of the enemy, of the operational tasks, of the strategic goals, and of course, of appropriate necessary war ethics.

(1) Defining the enemy:

The strategic enemy is extremist Arab Islam in all its varieties, from Iran to Gaza, which seeks to annihilate Israel in its entirety. The immediate enemy is Hamas. (Not the tunnels, not the rockets, but Hamas.)

(2) Defining the tasks

Conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.

(3) Defining the strategic goal:

To turn Gaza into Jaffa, a flourishing Israeli city with a minimum number of hostile civilians.

(4) Defining war ethics: “Woe to the evildoer, and woe to his neighbor”

In light of these four points, Israel must do the following:

a) The IDF [Israeli army] shall designate certain open areas on the Sinai border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated, far from the built-up areas that are used for launches and tunneling. In these areas, tent encampments will be established, until relevant emigration destinations are determined.

The supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected.

b) The formerly populated areas will be shelled with maximum fire power. The entire civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas, its means of communication and of logistics, will be destroyed entirely, down to their foundations.

c) The IDF will divide the Gaza Strip laterally and crosswise, significantly expand the corridors, occupy commanding positions, and exterminate nests of resistance, in the event that any should remain.

d) Israel will start searching for emigration destinations and quotas for the refugees from Gaza. Those who wish to emigrate will be given a generous economic support package, and will arrive at the receiving countries with considerable economic capabilities.

e) Those who insist on staying, if they can be proven to have no affiliation with Hamas, will be required to publicly sign a declaration of loyalty to Israel, and receive a blue ID card similar to that of the Arabs of East Jerusalem.

f) When the fighting will end, Israeli law will be extended to cover the entire Gaza Strip, the people evicted from the Gush Katif will be invited to return to their settlements, and the city of Gaza and its suburbs will be rebuilt as true Israeli touristic and commercial cities.

Mr. Prime Minister,

his is the a fateful hour of decision in the history of the State of Israel.
All metastases of our enemy, from Iran and Hizballah through ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood, are rubbing their hands gleefully and preparing themselves for the next round.

I am warning that any outcome that is less than what I defined here means encouraging the continued offensive against Israel. Only when Hizballah will understand how we have dealt with Hamas in the south, it will refrain from launching its 100,000 missiles from the north.

I call on you to adopt the strategy proposed here.

I have no doubt that the entire Israeli people will stand to your right with its overwhelming majority, like myself – if only you will adopt it.

With high regards, respectfully,

Moshe Feiglin

https://www.facebook.com/MFeiglin/posts/695450140534104

8000+ likes and 2000+ shares and numerous posters sayinh Moshe should be the prime minister of Israel.

Basically putting forward what everybody already knew, Israel doesn't want peace, doesn't believe in a two state solution and just wants to steal all the land, first turning Gaza into a concentration camp, then razing it and building it into a touristy Israeli city. i.e fuck palestine we stealing all its land and if the citizens want to be B grade residents with special ID cards, might as well arm bands with a crescent moon, if they pass their criteria then maybe other wise their "destination" will be decided.

Similar to what Goebbels might as suggested back in the day.

[Goober911]

desertdude desertdude:

By Moshe Feiglin, a member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s ruling Likud Party and deputy speaker of the Knesset

$1:

With God’s Help

Attention

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

Mr. Prime Minister,

We have just heard that Hamas has used the ceasefire to abduct an officer. It turns out that this operation is not about to be over any too soon.

The failures of this operation were inherent to it from the outset, because:

a) It has no proper and clear goal;
b) there is no appropriate moral framework to support our soldiers.

What is required now is that we internalize the fact that Oslo is finished, that this is our country – our country exclusively, including Gaza.

There are no two states, and there are no two peoples. There is only one state for one people.

Having internalized this, what is needed is a deep and thorough strategic review, in terms of the definition of the enemy, of the operational tasks, of the strategic goals, and of course, of appropriate necessary war ethics.

(1) Defining the enemy:

The strategic enemy is extremist Arab Islam in all its varieties, from Iran to Gaza, which seeks to annihilate Israel in its entirety. The immediate enemy is Hamas. (Not the tunnels, not the rockets, but Hamas.)

(2) Defining the tasks

Conquest of the entire Gaza Strip, and annihilation of all fighting forces and their supporters.

(3) Defining the strategic goal:

To turn Gaza into Jaffa, a flourishing Israeli city with a minimum number of hostile civilians.

(4) Defining war ethics: “Woe to the evildoer, and woe to his neighbor”

In light of these four points, Israel must do the following:

a) The IDF [Israeli army] shall designate certain open areas on the Sinai border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated, far from the built-up areas that are used for launches and tunneling. In these areas, tent encampments will be established, until relevant emigration destinations are determined.

The supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected.

b) The formerly populated areas will be shelled with maximum fire power. The entire civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas, its means of communication and of logistics, will be destroyed entirely, down to their foundations.

c) The IDF will divide the Gaza Strip laterally and crosswise, significantly expand the corridors, occupy commanding positions, and exterminate nests of resistance, in the event that any should remain.

d) Israel will start searching for emigration destinations and quotas for the refugees from Gaza. Those who wish to emigrate will be given a generous economic support package, and will arrive at the receiving countries with considerable economic capabilities.

e) Those who insist on staying, if they can be proven to have no affiliation with Hamas, will be required to publicly sign a declaration of loyalty to Israel, and receive a blue ID card similar to that of the Arabs of East Jerusalem.

f) When the fighting will end, Israeli law will be extended to cover the entire Gaza Strip, the people evicted from the Gush Katif will be invited to return to their settlements, and the city of Gaza and its suburbs will be rebuilt as true Israeli touristic and commercial cities.

Mr. Prime Minister,

his is the a fateful hour of decision in the history of the State of Israel.
All metastases of our enemy, from Iran and Hizballah through ISIS and the Muslim Brotherhood, are rubbing their hands gleefully and preparing themselves for the next round.

I am warning that any outcome that is less than what I defined here means encouraging the continued offensive against Israel. Only when Hizballah will understand how we have dealt with Hamas in the south, it will refrain from launching its 100,000 missiles from the north.

I call on you to adopt the strategy proposed here.

I have no doubt that the entire Israeli people will stand to your right with its overwhelming majority, like myself – if only you will adopt it.

With high regards, respectfully,

Moshe Feiglin

https://www.facebook.com/MFeiglin/posts/695450140534104

8000+ likes and 2000+ shares and numerous posters sayinh Moshe should be the prime minister of Israel.

Basically putting forward what everybody already knew, Israel doesn't want peace, doesn't believe in a two state solution and just wants to steal all the land, first turning Gaza into a concentration camp, then razing it and building it into a touristy Israeli city. i.e fuck palestine we stealing all its land and if the citizens want to be B grade residents with special ID cards, might as well arm bands with a crescent moon, if they pass their criteria then maybe other wise their "destination" will be decided.

Similar to what Goebbels might as suggested back in the day.

This man is a wacko.