[Delwin]

So the UN and Hamas, are in Cahoots now ? Shouldn't we label the UN as a terrorist organization ? And what of the UN's mind control program, what's your stance on that ?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Delwin Delwin:

It's still not acceptable Fiddledog. If they suspected there were rockets, they should have contacted UN and had the school evacuated before bombing it and killing kids. It is reckless and criminal not to.

Oh WHAT a surprise. Absolutely ZERO condemnation for Hamas though. Yep, Hamas turns civilian structures into military targets, which apparently isn't the least bit criminal or reckless, but as usual Israel gets shit on for bombing said targets without proper notice.
Gee, it's too bad you don't hold the assholes from Hamas to such high standards.

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

So the UN and Hamas, are in Cahoots now ? Shouldn't we label the UN as a terrorist organization ? And what of the UN's mind control program, what's your stance on that ?

I don't know, but I didn't like it much when they were pimping those girls they were supposed to be protecting in Bosnia.

Come to think of it, I hear there's a movie coming out about that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film ... -Know.html

The UN are so deep in the tank for Hamas they had to switch from snorkel to scuba.

[N_Fiddledog]

And on that school you were talking about...

$1:

UNRWA School Déjà Vu – Again, the Media Uncritically Reports Lies


On January 6, 2009, during Operation Cast Lead, the BBC (and every other news outlet) reported:

"At least 40 people were killed and 55 injured when Israeli artillery shells landed outside a United Nations-run school in Gaza, UN officials have said.

A number of children were among those who died when the al-Fakhura school in the Jabaliya refugee camp was hit, doctors at nearby hospitals said."

Some media said at the time that as many as 46 were killed. The UN was in the forefront of telling those number to the media.

By the time the Goldstone Report came around to the issue, the claims were downsized a bit to 24 people killed, and he admitted that the school wasn’t hit, but that Israeli fire hit outside the school. And Goldstone even admitted that he didn’t verify the figure of 24, but just accepted it from testimonies – testimonies that included known Hamas members.

Of course, at this point, people only remembered the initial lurid headlines.

The Goldstone report wasn’t accurate either. From combing through the casualties listed by PCHR, the dates and locations, double checking the names of the victims with known terrorists, and reports from witnesses who Goldstone didn’t bother to find, it is certain that there was serious mortar fire originating from the street outside the school and that at least three and possibly as many as 10 terrorists were killed in the Israeli retaliation.

That is much different from the initial, lurid, and utterly false headlines. But the truth didn’t get reported by any major media outlet.

Now, fast forward to today:

Ten Palestinians were killed on Sunday after Israeli shells hit a UN school in Rafah where thousands of people were sheltering from the ongoing Israeli offensive.

At least 30 were injured in the strike, according to Ministry of Health spokesman Ashraf al-Qidra.

The Washington Post agrees:

A United Nations school was attacked in southern Gaza on Sunday, killing at least 10 and injuring more than 30, as Israeli shells continued to bombard southern Gaza, hours after President Benjamin Netanyahu vowed that Hamas would pay “an intolerable price” for its assaults.

Was a school hit?

As Israel Matzav reports, some media are mentioning a slightly different story. From ITV:

A deadly air strike near a United Nations-run school in Gaza was targeting a vehicle outside the front gate of the school, a witness has told ITV News.

Well, that’s a little different, isn’t it?

Most of the most recent reports are already walking back from the charge that the school was hit, since it wasn’t. It remains to be seen if the reporters at the scene will actually try to ferret out the truth. Given the false initial reports, the chances for that are pretty small.

It will take some time to find out the facts, but as usual, reporters are rushing into quote known liars like UNRWA spokespeople and the Gaza Ministry of Health without any mention of their unreliable record - just as they did in 2009.

If the IDF targeted a car, and knowing that the IDF usually uses fairly small missiles to hit cars, it seems quite possible that the car was carrying explosives or rockets that went off and ended up hurting and killing people outside the school.

This doesn’t stop UNRWA officials from saying that Israel is targeting UN facilities deliberately.

The media laps it up, knowing that the IDF takes hours to investigate and make a statement because of the complexity of researching real facts rather than the ease of parroting ridiculous charges from known liars.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2014/08/03/un ... orts-lies/

[Delwin]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Delwin Delwin:

Israel 'breaks Gaza ceasefire' as 8-year-old girl killed

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... illed.html

Apparently, she was a Hamas operative posing as an innocent little school girl.

Love the headline though. Tell me Del, how can Israel break something that was already broken?

Not sure what you mean, the truce began at 7:00 GMT. The attack came at 7:06 GMT.

Second Gaza ceasefire collapses in just SIX MINUTES after Israeli F16 jet destroys house in beach-side refugee camp, killing girl, eight

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tempt.html

Are you suggesting that in that 6 minute window, Hamas broke the truce?

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

Second Gaza ceasefire collapses in just SIX MINUTES after Israeli F16 jet destroys house in beach-side refugee camp, killing girl, eight

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... tempt.html

Are you suggesting that in that 6 minute window, Hamas broke the truce?

But again you forget to tell us key little lines from the story. For example...

"An Israeli military spokeswoman said she was checking the refugee camp attack and said four rockets had been fired from Gaza since the truce started and two had crashed inside Israel."

[Delwin]

So in 6 minutes, 4 rockets were fired, the info was sent to IDF C&C, a decision to resume was made, an f-16 was deployed, and the bombs were dropped on the little girl. Seems reasonble.

[MeganC]

The posts on here are really one-sided with people slamming Israel who don't say anything about Hamas as if Hamas were totally innocent but there not. People need to be more honest that Hamas is why Israel is fighting. If Hamas would fucking cut it out than the fighting would stop!

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

So in 6 minutes, 4 rockets were fired, the info was sent to IDF C&C, a decision to resume was made, an f-16 was deployed, and the bombs were dropped on the little girl. Seems reasonble.

It's about as believable as this - "an f-16 was deployed, and the bombs were dropped on the little girl"

C'mon, you don't make yourself laugh when you post stuff like that?

"That's a pository 1-9er we got her marked at one two six two, Unlock the pod bay doors."

In any case at present we're only dealing with claims from both sides. Even media reports have to be suspect in the early going, because Hamas has shown an ablility to control what's released with intimidation until the reporters get out of Gaza.

[Delwin]

No, actually I don't take any pleasure at all in the death of children. I take it very seriously. I try to think, "what if that was my little girl?"

[N_Fiddledog]

Well I hope you wouldn't be claiming F-16s were flying around tracking her to bomb her personally, because people will laugh at you.

It's interesting the little details one hears too late to give an immediate reply. For instance remember this one from a couple of pages back?

andyt andyt:

The U.S. State Department also chimed in saying it was "appalled" by the "disgraceful shelling.

That was Jennifer Psaki. She used to be an Obama spokesperson before she landed that kooshy little job with the state department. I heard a funny little story about her just now.

$1:

American officials keep surprising the world. Every day it looks more like they get their salaries not in money but in cannabis. After the sensational statements made by Jennifer Psaki about sending the US 6th Fleet on a mission to “the shores” of Belorussia

http://chersonandmolschky.com/2014/08/0 ... kini-help/

[Goober911]

MeganC MeganC:

The posts on here are really one-sided with people slamming Israel who don't say anything about Hamas as if Hamas were totally innocent but there not. People need to be more honest that Hamas is why Israel is fighting. If Hamas would fucking cut it out than the fighting would stop!

Being locked in a prision has nothing to do with this.
Not having real peace negotations from israel, well nothing to do with it either.
Settlements expanding,as well no causes there eh.

[Tricks]

Delwin Delwin:

It's still not acceptable Fiddledog. If they suspected there were rockets, they should have contacted UN and had the school evacuated before bombing it and killing kids. It is reckless and criminal not to.

Is it though? Housing military hardware makes it a viable target for attack, it becomes a military installation. I was under the impression that human shields did not protect that site from attack. Infact the illegality of it rests on Hamas for using human shields, not on the IDF for attacking it. This is Canada's stance on objects, though civilians aren't mentioned, just objects.

$1:

Canada’s LOAC Manual (1999) states: “Where a civilian object is used for military purposes, it loses its protection as a civilian object and may become a legitimate target.”
The manual further states: “Civilian vessels, aircraft, vehicles and buildings are military objectives if they contain combatants, military equipment or supplies.”
Canada’s LOAC Manual (2001) states in its chapter on targeting:
407. Examples of objects which are military objectives
…
2. Civilian vessels, aircraft, vehicles and buildings are military objectives if they contain combatants, military equipment or supplies.
…
428. Civilian object used for military purposes
1. Where a civilian object is used for military purposes, it loses its protection as a civilian object and may become a legitimate target.

[Tricks]

Delwin Delwin:

So the UN and Hamas, are in Cahoots now ? Shouldn't we label the UN as a terrorist organization ? And what of the UN's mind control program, what's your stance on that ?

Keep in mind source.

[Delwin]

Fiddledog stop with the fake news stories please. Psaki never said it. Take your Russian propaganda somewhere else. They have an active campaign against her.