[Delwin]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

If so why isn't the mainstream on it yet.

Probably because no one takes him seriously.

[N_Fiddledog]

Delwin Delwin:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

If so why isn't the mainstream on it yet.

Probably because no one takes him seriously.

Keep reading. Goober illustrated the mainstream has found the story.

[Delwin]

Good article by a former Israeli diplomat on Harper's relationship with Israel.

Israeli Peace Activists Are Shocked By Harper's Visit Too

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/ilan-baruc ... 92257.html

[N_Fiddledog]

[N_Fiddledog]

Here's an example of what they call the "knock on the roof".

First you get the leaflet warning.

Then you get a little warning tickle of an explosion. The knock on the roof. Then you get to learn the lesson about how maybe you're not such a bigshot Jihadi when you do stuff like fire rockets out the bedroom window.



And what about the innocents that don't clue in, or aren't allowed to, you ask.

Yeah, that sucks.

[Goober911]

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/13 ... bomb-gaza/

Thousands of Palestinian residents of the northern Gaza Strip fled their homes on Sunday and sought safety in U.N. shelters, heeding warnings from the Israeli military about impending plans to bomb the area in the sixth day of an offensive against Hamas that has killed more than 160 people.

Israel launched the offensive last Tuesday in what it said was a response to heavy rocket fire out of Hamas-controlled Gaza. The military says it has launched more than 1,300 airstrikes, while Palestinian militants have launched more than 800 rockets at Israel. The Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza says 166 people have been killed, including dozens of civilians. There have been no Israeli fatalities, though several people have been wounded, including a teenage boy who was seriously injured by rocket shrapnel Sunday.

Early Sunday, the Israeli air force dropped leaflets around the northern Gaza town of Beit Lahia ordering people to evacuate their homes. Israel says much of the rocket fire has come from the area, and overnight Sunday, the military carried out a brief ground operation on what it said was a rocket-launching site that could not be struck from the air. Four Israeli soldiers were lightly wounded before returning to Israel.

[desertdude]

Delwin Delwin:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

If so why isn't the mainstream on it yet.

Probably because no one takes him seriously.

AND no one knows who he is, ask people around the world and 9.5 people out of 10 will say "Harper who ?"

[MeganC]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Here's an example of what they call the "knock on the roof".

First you get the leaflet warning.

Then you get a little warning tickle of an explosion. The knock on the roof. Then you get to learn the lesson about how maybe you're not such a bigshot Jihadi when you do stuff like fire rockets out the bedroom window.



And what about the innocents that don't clue in, or aren't allowed to, you ask.

Yeah, that sucks.

Holy hell!!!

[Goober911]

Hamas has no other way to fight Israel.

Population of Gaza - approx 1.4 Million
Square miles - approx 139 -approx 360 Km
Density
http://english.wafa.ps/index.php?action=detail&id=25829
Population density of Palestine is generally high at 756 persons/km2, particularly in Gaza Strip it is 4,822 persons/km2 compared to a lower population density in the West Bank of 493 persons/km2 at mid 2014.

[BRAH]

Christopher Hitchens possibly had the best opnions on Israel and it's conflicts with the PLO, Hamas and other enemies/neighbors.

[BRAH]

monty16 monty16:

http://news.yahoo.com/horror-gaza-handicapped-care-facility-bombed-155659912.html

Now the Zionazies are bombing the handicapped care facitilies. Next will be the orphanages. And we can be sure that the Amerinazis will apologize for them again because, well, because they have a right to protect the land they have stolen from the Palestinian people.

You obviously couldn't find your mothers vagina and got lost in the asshole, Google probably has a map just sayin.

[Goober911]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alon-benm ... 78303.html

I have been writing about your conflict for more than three decades. Invariably, I find myself delving into the same themes time and again. The nature of the conflict remains the same. You coexist, and short of self-inflicted catastrophe, you are destined to coexist until the end of time. You must now choose to live in harmony and peace, or in self-consuming enmity and hate.

No Israeli or Palestinian child should ever die for a cause that defies reality and reason. Taking teens hostage and horrifically killing them in cold blood, or abducting a child and grisly burning him alive defies your religious beliefs and the basic tenets of your humanity.

Like beasts, the militant madmen among you creep in the shadows for their prey, to satisfy their lust for revenge and retribution. They disgrace you as a people and a nation, while poisoning the next generations with hostility and disdain, robbing them of their future and destroying the little hope left to live in harmony and peace.

A majority of you Israelis and Palestinians are crying out for peace, yearning still for that elusive day when you can retire to bed without fear and face tomorrow excited about what lies ahead. Every day that exacts blood and torments so many is a day when your graves are dug ever deeper, burying innocent children and any hope for a better future.

The gap between you grows ever wider, feeding the vicious cycle of death and destruction. Instead of reaching out compassionately, you obliterate the last traces of empathy toward one another, knowing that there is no place to go but together.

You, the so-called leaders, are the culprits behind this miserable state of being. Immersed in blind ideology or misguided religious dogmas and possessed by a messianic mission, you incite your people and fan the flames of acrimony and violence.

Shame on you Naftali Bennett, you are a zealous madman. You want to annex much of the West Bank and openly preach the invasion of Gaza. You proclaim that war with Hamas is inevitable and "It's preferable that we're [the Israelis] the ones who initiate it."

You are a menace to the people of Israel whom you presumably wish to protect. It is alright that hundreds of Israelis and Palestinians die as long as you continue to amass fortunes and enjoy the opulence that life can offer.

And what about you, Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas' misguided leader, you are a fanatic fool who refuses to see the light. You extolled the kidnapping of the three Israeli youth, you call for another Intifada and encourage "the escalation of the resistance," only to watch thousands of Palestinians die as sacrificial lambs to satisfy your twisted ego and hollow religious convictions.

[Delwin]

Israel's real purpose in Gaza operation? To kill Arabs
Since the first Lebanon war over 30 years ago, Israel's main strategy has been killing Arabs. The current atrocious war in Gaza is no different.

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The goal of Operation Protective Edge is to restore the calm; the means: killing civilians. The slogan of the Mafia has become official Israeli policy. Israel sincerely believes that if it kills hundreds of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, quiet will reign. It is pointless to destroy the weapons stores of Hamas, which has already proved capable of rearmament. Bringing down the Hamas government is an unrealistic (and illegitimate) goal, one that Israel does not want: It is aware that the alternative could be much worse. That leaves only one possible purpose for the military operation: death to Arabs, accompanied by the cheering of the masses.

The Israel Defense Forces already has a “map of pain,” a diabolical invention that has replaced the no less diabolical “bank of targets,” and that map is spreading at a sickening pace. Watch Al Jazeera English, a balanced and professional television channel (unlike its Arabic sister station), and see the extent of its success. You won’t see it in Israel’s “open” broadcast studios, which as usual are only open to the Israeli victim, but on Al Jazeera you will see the whole truth, and perhaps you will even be shocked.

The bodies in Gaza are piling up, the desperate, constantly updated tabulation of mass killing that Israel boasts of, which already numbers dozens of civilians, including 24 children as of noon on Saturday; hundreds of people injured, in addition to horror and destruction. One school and one hospital have already been bombed. The aim is to strike homes, and no amount of justification can help: It’s a war crime, even if the IDF calls them “command-and-control centers” or “conference rooms.” Granted, there are strikes that are much more brutal than Israel’s, but in this war, which is nothing other than mutual attacks on civilians — the elephant against the fly — there aren’t even any refugees. In contrast to Syria and Iraq, in the Gaza Strip the inhabitants do not have the luxury of fleeing for their lives. In a cage, there’s nowhere to run.

Since the first Lebanon war, more than 30 years ago, the killing of Arabs has become Israel’s primary strategic instrument. The IDF doesn’t wage war against armies, and its main target is civilian populations. Arabs are born only to kill and to be killed, as everyone knows. They have no other goal in life, and Israel kills them.

One must, of course, be outraged by the modus operandi of Hamas: Not only does it aim its rockets at civilian population centers in Israel, not only does it position itself within population centers — it may not have an alternative, given the crowded conditions in the Strip — but it also leaves the Gazan civilian population vulnerable to Israel’s brutal attacks, without seeing to a single siren, shelter or protected space. That is criminal. But the barrages of the Israel Air Force are no less criminal, on account of both the result and the intent: There isn’t a single residential building in the Gaza Strip that is not home to dozens of women and children; the IDF cannot, therefore, claim that it does not mean to hurt innocent civilians. If the recent demolition of the home of a terrorist in the West Bank still stirred a weak protest, now dozens of homes are being destroyed, together with their occupants.

Retired generals and commentators on active duty compete to make the most monstrous proposal: “If we kill their families, that will frighten them,” explained Maj.Gen. (res.) Oren Shachor, without batting an eyelid. “We must create a situation such that when they come out of their burrows, they won’t recognize Gaza,” others said. Shamelessly, without question — until the next Goldstone investigation.

A war with no goal is among the most despicable of wars; the deliberate targeting of civilians is among the most atrocious of means. Terror now reigns in Israel as well, but it’s unlikely there is a single Israeli who can imagine what it’s like for Gaza’s 1.8 million inhabitants, whose already miserable lives are now totally horrific. The Gaza Strip is not a “hornet’s nest,” it is a province of human desperation. Hamas is not an army, far from it, despite all the fear tactics: If it really did build such a sophisticated network of tunnels there, as is claimed, then why doesn’t it build Tel Aviv’s light rail network, already?

The 1,000-sortie and 1,000 tons of explosives marks have almost been reached, and Israel is waiting for the “victory picture” that has already been achieved: Death to Arabs.

http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.604653

[N_Fiddledog]

And seeing as the URL tells us that was an opinion piece we need to know whose opinion it was.

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Gideon Levy (Hebrew: גדעון לוי‎; born 1953) is an Israeli journalist. Levy writes opinion pieces and a weekly column for the newspaper Haaretz that often focus on the Israeli occupation of the Palestinian territories. A notable journalist on the Israeli left,[1] Levy has been characterized as a "heroic journalist" by some,[2] by others as a "propagandist for the Hamas".[3]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon_Levy

[N_Fiddledog]

And seeing as I'm told sources matter here we need to look at Haaretz if we're going to consider opinion pieces from them.

Here's a different opinion piece from a news source on the other side of the political spectrum from Haaretz.

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Haaretz, Israel’s left-wing daily, used to be Israel’s newspaper of record and comparable to the New York Times, read also by those who differed from its line. Today Haaretz is read by less than 6 percent of Israelis, overwhelmingly composed of the country’s left-wing “elite.” Haaretz comes in far behind successful newcomer, right-of-center Israel Hayom at 38% and left-of-center Yediot Aharonot at 36%.

Haaretz’s English website, however, gets a very high Alexa ranking—around the 3900th most popular website in the world and currently neck-and-neck with the centrist Jerusalem Post and rightwing Arutz Sheva site. Indeed, Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu allegedly called (his office later denied it) Haaretz and the New York Times Israel’s “two main enemies” and said:

"They set the agenda for an anti-Israel campaign all over the world. Journalists read them every morning and base their news stories…on what they read in the New York Times and Haaretz"...

More at link.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Artic ... aspx/11310

I have no objection to partisan stuff myself. It's a partisan issue. Better to know what the other side thinks. But nobody can lay claim to the high ground here.

Although personally I think the left are self-destructive idiots apologizing for an ideology that will destroy theirs and them personally as soon as the opportunity presents itself.

They can't help themselves though, I suppose. I think it might be biological.

http://www.freerepublic.com/~anonymousconservativ/