[Wally_Sconce]

I heard on the radio this morning that the government is wearing progue for the holidays.

that is a bit extravagant. i say we should cut there funding.

[Canadaka]

Democracy Delayed is Democracy Denied

[kenmore]

So the business of the country is shut down so baby harper can hold on to his crown.
In January nothing will change and we will be going to the polls. Why can't this man work with others.. he has a severe personality disorder.

[Wally_Sconce]

oh spare me the lecture on democracy, i see your Liberal avatar.

[Thanos]

I'll do my part to dial down the crazy by saying right now that Harper should reach across to the Liberals to see what they want to go in the next budget. If they can reach a detente together then it serves three purposes. One, the government stands, the situation is see to be stabilized, and harsh economic ramifications are rapidly reduced in scope. Two, it gives the Liberals time to get their own house in order, choose a new leader, and by summer or sometime next year a new election can be called and fought out fairly without the stain of associating with the Bloc hanging over everything. Three, and probably most importantly, it allows more time to see what moves Barack Obama will be making after the inauguration and will allow Canada to synthesize our own economic reactions and policies with what happens in the United States.

All I care about now is that collectively everyone should be doing what they can to move the situation back down to Defcon 5 instead of Defcon 1. No more brinksmanship by my side, and no end-runs and alliances with separatists by the other side. And hopefully everyone can now clearly see how dangerous and radical things can become when the NDP is driving even the smallest part of the agenda. Give me the two big monolith parties any day of the week over Taliban Jack and his gaggle of mouth-frothing whack-a-doos.

[kenmore]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

oh spare me the lecture on democracy, i see your Liberal avatar.

And I see your tory swastika. Nothing has changed but a little longer Christmas vacation for the Harpers. Gives Queen Laureen time to clean sussex drive and pack up the dishes. No matter how you swing it or would like it to be ridenrain harpers days are numbered.

[kenmore]

Quebec and Ontario will see to it that the torys never ever get a majority. If I were him (thank God I am not) I wouldnt show my face in Quebec

[Canadaka]

I agree Thanos, that is what he SHOULD do, but Harper has shown no will at all to do any of that the last week. And blew his biggest chance last night. I suspect he will just pour millions into the propiganda machine, tons of ads and such to try and scare people and some MP's from dropping out of the coalition. Yes that is sure a leader, that sure is democracy.

[tritium]

o.k. this is not good.. the country is in economic melt down and the best solution Harper can come up with is suspend Parliment.

Why not work with the opposition and use some of their ideas.

Boooooo! Harper.

[kenmore]

What he has done is set the country back 20yrs. He has incited hatred in Quebec. Its amazing what is going on. I spoke to my sister in Montreal this morning and she says the separatists are out in full force. nice work stevie nice work.

[Wally_Sconce]

kenmore kenmore:

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

oh spare me the lecture on democracy, i see your Liberal avatar.

And I see your tory swastika. Nothing has changed but a little longer Christmas vacation for the Harpers. Gives Queen Laureen time to clean sussex drive and pack up the dishes. No matter how you swing it or would like it to be ridenrain harpers days are numbered.

you bring up an interesting point...will Dion,Layton, and Duceppe all being roomates at sussex is bound to cause problems.

[ziggy]

kenmore kenmore:

What he has done is set the country back 20yrs. He has incited hatred in Quebec. Its amazing what is going on. I spoke to my sister in Montreal this morning and she says the separatists are out in full force. nice work stevie nice work.

We can have a pool party at your place,with that fresh batch of tears your shedding it should allmost be full by now.

[mtbr]

kenmore kenmore:

What he has done is set the country back 20yrs. He has incited hatred in Quebec. Its amazing what is going on. I spoke to my sister in Montreal this morning and she says the separatists are out in full force. nice work stevie nice work.

come to Alberta and see some anger..lots of separatists coming out of the wood work. That's good for the country, nice work Stephanie.

[mtbr]

Harper played from the constitution. It's fine when the left does it , suddenly it's wrong when conservatives do it. Same rule book same constitution..suck it up crybabies.

[Thanos]

Canadaka Canadaka:

I agree Thanos, that is what he SHOULD do, but Harper has shown no will at all to do any of that the last week. And blew his biggest chance last night. I suspect he will just pour millions into the propiganda machine, tons of ads and such to try and scare people and some MP's from dropping out of the coalition. Yes that is sure a leader, that sure is democracy.

We'll see. But at least for now a separatist party will not be part of a federal government, which should be a major relief to the genuine federalists and nationalists on both the Tory and Liberal sides.

The overall question remains for the coalition side however: if they were so sure that they were (are) doing the correct and legal thing then why were they too scared to take it to the electorate for approval? No silly bitching about having another election so soon, it's a vitally important issue and the voters have the right to make the decision. I wouldn't have, I couldn't have, complained so much if it were merely the Liberals and NDP that could have formed a majority coalition and ousted Harper. The precedent and legality would have been undeniable, and they're both genuine pan-national parties with support across the entire country. But the inclusion of separatists and relying on them for their tacit support makes the coalition illegitimate. Like I asked earlier in the week, if a KKK Party held fifty seats in Parliament would the Liberals and NDP have gone to them and asked for their support? To me allowing the Bloc to become involved in such a critical lynchpin/kingmaker position is simply intolerable.