[Robair]

Scape Scape:

It's too bad Thanos and Poquas are in the vocal minority. We need more like them, not more of the rabid types.

Yea, I think Thanos has maybe just had his rabies shot. He was full on frothing at the mouth before today!

[Thanos]

Robair Robair:

Scape Scape:

It's too bad Thanos and Poquas are in the vocal minority. We need more like them, not more of the rabid types.

Yea, I think Thanos has maybe just had his rabies shot. He was full on frothing at the mouth before today!

Guilty as charged. I haven't lost it like that in a long time.

(Insert inane Star Trek reference here) I should visit the monks on Mount Silayah to see if they can help stabilize my disrupted katra.

[martin14]

Scape Scape:

It's too bad Thanos and Poquas are in the vocal minority. We need more like them, not more of the rabid types.

on both sides, this hackery from each side is getting
pretty pathetic pretty damn quick.


everyone should take a deep breath....


and so maybe the best thing for now is just give
everyone (including here) some time to just calm the f*&^ down.

[Chumley]

Yahoo, there is no government, anarchy reigns!!!
Let's burn down the old mill!!!!

[ziggy]

Now where did I put that soldering gun?

[martin14]

ziggy ziggy:

Now where did I put that soldering gun?

you gonna start Chumley's fire with a soldering gun ??

[commanderkai]

Scape Scape:

It's too bad Thanos and Poquas are in the vocal minority. We need more like them, not more of the rabid types.

You should look into your own ranks before you criticize others. Thanos made an appeal to his kind, and he said you should do it with your own, don't pretend that only the right side of the aisle has been rabid.

[ziggy]

martin14 martin14:

ziggy ziggy:

Now where did I put that soldering gun?

you gonna start Chumley's fire with a soldering gun ??

I had to register it along with my 30-30 winchester. Both are buried somewhere.

[poquas]

bootlegga bootlegga:

If you had your rep turned on, I would have sent about 1000 your way this week. You were the most rational Conservative (followed by Thanos) on this site this past week.

Kudos!

Thanks. My first few posts on this forum seemed to upset the local lunatic fringe. Your 1000 reps points would have still left me in deficit!

[faile]

Scape Scape:

It's too bad Thanos and Poquas are in the vocal minority. We need more like them, not more of the rabid types.

What this country really needs is four years of deadlock. No more stupid new laws yay!

Seriously, it's time to start taking responsibility for our world and stop relying on idiots to run it for us.

[sandorski]

Thanos Thanos:

Canadaka Canadaka:

yes calling for a $300 million election 2 months after we already had one with the lowest turnout in history is very rational in a time of unpresidented economic troubles. It is the House's and the GG's responsability to look at all possibilities to make government work before calling an election, in this case a coalition is a viable possibility.

We elected these MP's they are our representatives, we don't get to vote or have a say on every action they take, that is how democracy works. If you don't like choices they made, you will get your chance to change your vote for that person if you want in the next election. But we don't get to demand a general election for every issue they voet on that we don't agree with.

Then how come none of the pro-coalition parties had the courage to tell the voters in the last election that they were open and willing to join forces with the Bloc? Wouldn't the great big heartedness of the "progressive brotherhood" allegedly shared by the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc have allayed all voters' fears about making the Bloc the lynchpin of a coalition?

I call shenanigans on your argument here. You sing about the wonderfulness of democracy to justify employing an archaic British relic buried in the constitution to subvert and undermine a legitimate minority government but don't want to allow the voters their input on what is one of the major crises of our 141 year-old political history. I've made no secret of how much I detest Pierre Trudeau but he followed the proper tradition back in 1978 of going through an election after Joe Clark was brought down rather than entering into some misbegotten bastard governing alliance with the NDP. At least Harper had the balls to face the voters openly this year even when he knew he was going to get attacked, maybe deservedly so, for violating the spirit of his own set-time election rules. Once again, if the coalition is such a grand idea then why such fear over having to approach the voters to give it the real stamp of democratic legitimacy?

[EDIT] to take the moo out of "deMOOcracy"

A "legitimate Minority" is only "legitimate" for as long as enough of the Opposition supports it. If a Majority of MPs Vote against the Government in a No Confidence motion, the Minority Government no longer exists.

[Thanos]

sandorski sandorski:

Thanos Thanos:

Canadaka Canadaka:

yes calling for a $300 million election 2 months after we already had one with the lowest turnout in history is very rational in a time of unpresidented economic troubles. It is the House's and the GG's responsability to look at all possibilities to make government work before calling an election, in this case a coalition is a viable possibility.

We elected these MP's they are our representatives, we don't get to vote or have a say on every action they take, that is how democracy works. If you don't like choices they made, you will get your chance to change your vote for that person if you want in the next election. But we don't get to demand a general election for every issue they voet on that we don't agree with.

Then how come none of the pro-coalition parties had the courage to tell the voters in the last election that they were open and willing to join forces with the Bloc? Wouldn't the great big heartedness of the "progressive brotherhood" allegedly shared by the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc have allayed all voters' fears about making the Bloc the lynchpin of a coalition?

I call shenanigans on your argument here. You sing about the wonderfulness of democracy to justify employing an archaic British relic buried in the constitution to subvert and undermine a legitimate minority government but don't want to allow the voters their input on what is one of the major crises of our 141 year-old political history. I've made no secret of how much I detest Pierre Trudeau but he followed the proper tradition back in 1978 of going through an election after Joe Clark was brought down rather than entering into some misbegotten bastard governing alliance with the NDP. At least Harper had the balls to face the voters openly this year even when he knew he was going to get attacked, maybe deservedly so, for violating the spirit of his own set-time election rules. Once again, if the coalition is such a grand idea then why such fear over having to approach the voters to give it the real stamp of democratic legitimacy?

[EDIT] to take the moo out of "deMOOcracy"

A "legitimate Minority" is only "legitimate" for as long as enough of the Opposition supports it. If a Majority of MPs Vote against the Government in a No Confidence motion, the Minority Government no longer exists.

And then should then go to the electorate to see what the voters want, and not be manipulated using an archaic British construct buried in the constitution. For a group of people, NDP and Bloc especially, it seems rather two-faced to have virulent anti-British and anti-monarchial philosophy built into the very framework of their respective parties but then use a British-built mechanism to do a submarine job on an existing government.

A minority coalition should als not be allowed to form a government under false pretenses, i.e. saying during the election that they wouldn't form an alliance with separatists and then forming an alliance with separatists a couple of weeks after passing the Throne Speech.

[sandorski]

Thanos Thanos:

sandorski sandorski:

Thanos Thanos:

Then how come none of the pro-coalition parties had the courage to tell the voters in the last election that they were open and willing to join forces with the Bloc? Wouldn't the great big heartedness of the "progressive brotherhood" allegedly shared by the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc have allayed all voters' fears about making the Bloc the lynchpin of a coalition?

I call shenanigans on your argument here. You sing about the wonderfulness of democracy to justify employing an archaic British relic buried in the constitution to subvert and undermine a legitimate minority government but don't want to allow the voters their input on what is one of the major crises of our 141 year-old political history. I've made no secret of how much I detest Pierre Trudeau but he followed the proper tradition back in 1978 of going through an election after Joe Clark was brought down rather than entering into some misbegotten bastard governing alliance with the NDP. At least Harper had the balls to face the voters openly this year even when he knew he was going to get attacked, maybe deservedly so, for violating the spirit of his own set-time election rules. Once again, if the coalition is such a grand idea then why such fear over having to approach the voters to give it the real stamp of democratic legitimacy?

[EDIT] to take the moo out of "deMOOcracy"

A "legitimate Minority" is only "legitimate" for as long as enough of the Opposition supports it. If a Majority of MPs Vote against the Government in a No Confidence motion, the Minority Government no longer exists.

And then should then go to the electorate to see what the voters want, and not be manipulated using an archaic British construct buried in the constitution. For a group of people, NDP and Bloc especially, it seems rather two-faced to have virulent anti-British and anti-monarchial philosophy built into the very framework of their respective parties but then use a British-built mechanism to do a submarine job on an existing government.

A minority coalition should als not be allowed to form a government under false pretenses, i.e. saying during the election that they wouldn't form an alliance with separatists and then forming an alliance with separatists a couple of weeks after passing the Throne Speech.

Why even Vote? Just accept my Wise Leadership and instill me as Monarch for life!!

[kenmore]

Ya right... like all the torys that go on TV and say oh ya I voted liberal all my life and not anymore.. ya right.. like the canned tory phone ins on the radio.. yup yup... dont eat that elmer its horse shit.

[poquas]

Thanos Thanos:

A minority coalition should als not be allowed to form a government under false pretenses, i.e. saying during the election that they wouldn't form an alliance with separatists and then forming an alliance with separatists a couple of weeks after passing the Throne Speech.

Remember that everybody elects a pool of people that go to Parliament. Five minutes after they get there, a majority of them can decide to tattoo pink butterflies on their foreheads and passing laws that require people to breathe only through your noses.

I know the example is a little extreme, but it’s factual. The Conservatives have relied on the separatists for much longer than anyone to keep themselves in power over the years. It can’t be considered heresy if somebody else does it now.

I have to give grudging credit to the coalition in that they got the support of the Bloc without actually including them in the government. The Bloc may end up helping to defeat every bill the government tables (except those of confidence). Maybe the Conservative could take a lesson instead of screaming the sky is falling and alienating a whole block of voters to guarantee many more years out of power.

I’d love to know the name of the individual who thought that raising the spectre of national unity was a good political ploy. He/she'd be at the very top of my list to be shot and pissed on along with Harper after all this.