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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:12 pm
 


A gun for everybody...




...sounds like socialism to me. :evil:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:58 pm
 


Thanos Thanos:
As they should to any tyrant of that ilk. As should everyone everywhere. Just make sure that it's actual hardcore authoritarian socialists you're going to be shooting, and not someone who merely thinks there should be national pharmacare or well-funded public education. There's a bit of an obvious difference between the two realms of thought.

Not when you're struggling to find two brain cells to rub together.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:04 pm
 


PluggyRug PluggyRug:
exactly what I mean, so stop trying to justify the socialist utopia.

OMG, did you just use Wynne, Trudope and Murkyhell as examples. ROTFL ROTFL


So what are you saying? Do you admit they’re not socialists? Have you cleared that with Fiddle, Martin and the rest of the conservative brain trus? They might burn you for heresy.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:10 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
BeaverFever BeaverFever:
Yeah Kathleen Wynne and the Trudeaus and Merkel and Macron and the socialist governments of Scandinavia have bumped off exactly zero people.


The Scandinavian states are welfare states but they are not socialist states.

https://www.google.com/search?q=scandin ... e&ie=UTF-8



I would agree with that, although that’s not what you Conservatives have said for decades. Conservatives have always used “welfare state” and “socialist” interchangeably.

But since you NOW claim they’re not socialists then you’d have no ideological opposition to emulating any of their policies?


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:10 pm
 


BeaverFever BeaverFever:
But since you NOW claim they’re not socialists then you’d have no ideological opposition to emulating any of their policies?


I'd still object to the notion of taking money from productive people and using it to support deadbeats.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:18 pm
 


Yeah we know. And you're dead against letting the 99% define what's productive too.


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Conservative ideology: Sick people are deadbeats. Elderly are deadbeats. Children are deadbeats. Pregnant women are deadbeats. Anyone working in the public sector is a deadbeat.

Trust fund babies living off inherited fortunes are “productive people”. Martin Shkreli is a productive person.

Hedge fund managers who buy up profitable businesses just to liquidate them for quick cash are “productive people” and the thousands of workers whose jobs they liquidate are deadbeats.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:52 pm
 


BartSimpson BartSimpson:
..deadbeats...


Define deadbeats please. I certainly hope you don't think of me that way. I'm in the fight of my life right now to not end up homeless. And the reasons this happened to me and my sister are far beyond our control.


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Oh you know you are. He'd rather pay $5 for partial healthcare than have to pay $2 for actual coverage if it's gonna cover you too. Said so many times.


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Bart's helped me so I'm not dissing him. I just want to know what deadbeat means these days. I was productive for most of my adult life until the random rotten-ness of life shot a dozen or so torpedoes under my waterline. Now I'm certainly not productive. So what am I now, technically or officially? A deadbeat who deserved it? :?


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Thanos Thanos:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
..deadbeats...


Define deadbeats please. I certainly hope you don't think of me that way. I'm in the fight of my life right now to not end up homeless. And the reasons this happened to me and my sister are far beyond our control.


Deadbeats: People who perennially depend upon taking their sustenance from others when they are fully capable of earning their own way.

You and a bunch of other Canadians are suffering from the direct and indirect effects of the policies of your government that are pushing more and more Canadians into poverty.

Needlessly, I might add.

There is no magic to what Trump did to get our economy back on track and the only reason your government won't do the same is because they hate capitalism and prosperity...unless it benefits them of course.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:49 pm
 


I accept that. I dispute what Trump's "done" though as the benefits from him appear to be a mile wide and a half-inch deep when they're critically examined.


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BartSimpson BartSimpson:
Thanos Thanos:
BartSimpson BartSimpson:
..deadbeats...


Define deadbeats please. I certainly hope you don't think of me that way. I'm in the fight of my life right now to not end up homeless. And the reasons this happened to me and my sister are far beyond our control.


Deadbeats: People who perennially depend upon taking their sustenance from others when they are fully capable of earning their own way.

You and a bunch of other Canadians are suffering from the direct and indirect effects of the policies of your government that are pushing more and more Canadians into poverty.

Needlessly, I might add.

There is no magic to what Trump did to get our economy back on track and the only reason your government won't do the same is because they hate capitalism and prosperity...unless it benefits them of course.



More outright falsehoods from inside the conservative bubble

America is the country with the poverty problem not Canada. Canadians enjoy a better quality of life and are happier than Americans

$1:
Most Canadian households better off financially than American counterparts: income comparison


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.theglob ... namerican/


$1:
Canada ranks No. 1 in global Quality of Life list


https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnew ... 65201.html


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What Canadians get for their taxes

Canadians may not pay that much more than Americans — and, on occasion, as a nation, they have even paid less — but they do get a lot more from their government in terms of social services. That’s part of what makes Canada one of the Top 10 happiest countries on earth, ranking seven spots higher than America.

As Vice Money puts it, “American marginal tax brackets aren’t too different from Canadians’, yet [Canadians] get universal health care and [Americans] don’t.” Currently, Americans pay $3.4 trillion a year for medical care and, unfortunately, don’t : “The U.S. life expectancy of 78.8 years ranks 27th. It has the fourth highest infant mortality rate in the OECD, the sixth highest maternal mortality rate and the ninth highest likelihood of dying at a younger age from a host of ailments, including cardiovascular disease and cancer,” reports Bloomberg.

Per capita health-care spending in the U.S. is more than $9,000.

By contrast, per capita health-care spending in Canada is half that, or $4,500. Yet life expectancy in Canada is 81.7, and the country ranks 13th, significantly ahead of the U.S.

..,.Overall, though, Canadians enjoy the kind of perks Americans only get if they work for the most generous, prestigious corporations. Those include free health care without deductibles as well as up to 18 months of subsidized parental leave when they have children.

They also enjoy access to high-quality education for children across the income spectrum. Even top-notch colleges and universities are cheaper than comparable institutions in the U.S.

Vice cites a 2009 Canadian study by the Centre for Policy Alternatives that found that “the vast majority of Canada’s population” gets a great deal: “Middle-income Canadian families enjoy public services worth about $41,000 — or 63 percent of their income. Even households earning $80,000–$90,000 a year enjoy public services benefits equivalent to about half of their income.”

In short, the study concludes, “the majority of Canadian households enjoy a higher quality of life because of the public services their taxes fund.”


..,Perhaps that’s why so many Americans, as well as the president, feel that Americans pay more than anyone else in taxes: Because while many U.S. residents pay nearly as much, or in some cases more, than our neighbors to the north, Canadians in general can get so much more in exchange.


https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/07/canadia ... catch.html

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Most Canadians Are Now Better Off Than Most Americans

Middle-class people in the U.S. are losing ground to their peers in other rich countries.


https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/artic ... o-canada-s

Another lie is that Trump 0got your economy on track. The US economy has been growing at roughly the same rate for 11 years after it tanked under the Bush administration and began to recover under Obamas first term.Note that when it was growing at this rate under Obama you called the growth rate abysmal. Suddenly the same numbers ate awesome to you just because Trump is POTUS now. Also some sectors like manufacturing are in slight recession that to Trumps trade wars


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:08 am
 


The way I look at a lot of the social welfare benefits are that they are there to help you get back on your feet. Everyone has a spat of bad luck, some worse than others. Many of the programs were setup to help people out in their time of need. What has happened many who get into these programs find it easier to just collect the money and live off the government hand outs instead of using them to get themselves back on their feet.

Thanos is , IMO, an example of a person using the system to sustain his family while he is doing everything he can to get back on his feet. That is exactly what these systems are for. I have NO issue with anyone who does this. My issue is with those who get on the system and abuse it.


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stratos stratos:
Thanos is , IMO, an example of a person using the system to sustain his family while he is doing everything he can to get back on his feet. That is exactly what these systems are for. I have NO issue with anyone who does this. My issue is with those who get on the system and abuse it.


Thank you. We're trying our best to get out of this. The provincial system has helped. Without it we'd be on the street right now. Or more likely dead in my case.

I have to point out that the vast majority of people who end up on assistance aren't abusing it. They're on it because they have no where else left to turn to. As per previous examples in the US, where politicians targeted the people on welfare as a bunch of rotten moochers, when they imposed drug testing on recipients the percentage that were positive for drugs was less than that of the general population. Good indication that the assistance being received isn't being wasted on frivolities. The "welfare queen" that got popularized in the US during the Reagan years is really just a myth. The one genuine welfare queen they could find in New York City back in the early 1980's turned out to be some kind of criminal mastermind psychopath who had actually killed someone - she was running multiple scams of all sorts and getting herself on welfare was merely one of the many illegal enterprises she had going.

Cherish the poor, folks, for they we will always be with you. :|


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