[herbie]

Good Lord haven't you ever watched TV? Gas vehicles explode into flames whenever they bump into anything!
And what's this crap about how much you discharge your battery? The Teslas you can't run them down to zilch or they need to be reconditioned. It doesn't matter if you run them down to 90% or 10% when you charge them up again.
FFS battery vehicles are meant for going to waork and back, not for cruising. And as I said - they need to fill what the old Beetle did not all be Lexuses to be succesful.
The absolute HATE of Americans towards electric cars and the notion that because they've found more oil reserves that any research into EVs is stoopid means one thing.
The goddam Chinese will make them. And the USA (and Canada( will be fucked out of jobs, markets and sales once again.
Bart you grab all your Rupblican't friends and smack them upside the head. You're fucking hitch-hicking to the space station, you had to bail out the automakers and all we hear is no no no we can't we shouldn't we can't afford.... WTF happened to the country that could whup the commies to a standstill single-handed, go to the Moon, desegregate and fight poverty all at the same time?
Until fuel cells are ready, batteries are what ya got to work with, don't miss out.
Which reminds me... they did go to the Moon with fuel cells 45 years ago but outfits like Ballard are still milking investors and research grants and claiming they're 15 years in the future. That's pretty goddam lame.

[OnTheIce]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

How much of a shit-kicking does the electric range take when temp drops? -20, -30, -40, etc.

It does drop in the severe cold, that's for sure. My commute to the office is typically 70km to and from. I can get to work and back on a charge easily. I also charge at work most times so it's not an issue. In the cold, I would be hard pressed to make it to and from.

Unlike the rest of the EV's, the Volt has a generator so when you do run out of battery power, it kicks in and charges the battery to keep you moving. We're at over 50,000km on this vehicle and it's still running great in terms of battery life. Zero maintenance so far and we've filled the gas tank 4 times.

[saturn_656]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

How much of a shit-kicking does the electric range take when temp drops? -20, -30, -40, etc.

It does drop in the severe cold, that's for sure. My commute to the office is typically 70km to and from. I can get to work and back on a charge easily. I also charge at work most times so it's not an issue. In the cold, I would be hard pressed to make it to and from.

Unlike the rest of the EV's, the Volt has a generator so when you do run out of battery power, it kicks in and charges the battery to keep you moving. We're at over 50,000km on this vehicle and it's still running great in terms of battery life. Zero maintenance so far and we've filled the gas tank 4 times.

I'm in the market for a new car in the next year or two. I'd like to give the Volt a try, but for over 40k (pretty damn steep for a Chevy car that isn't a Corvette) I may as well buy a BMW 3 Series sedan.

That and GM is charging Canucks 10k above and beyond what the Volt costs in the US. Con artists.

[jj2424]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

How much of a shit-kicking does the electric range take when temp drops? -20, -30, -40, etc.

It does drop in the severe cold, that's for sure. My commute to the office is typically 70km to and from. I can get to work and back on a charge easily. I also charge at work most times so it's not an issue. In the cold, I would be hard pressed to make it to and from.

Unlike the rest of the EV's, the Volt has a generator so when you do run out of battery power, it kicks in and charges the battery to keep you moving. We're at over 50,000km on this vehicle and it's still running great in terms of battery life. Zero maintenance so far and we've filled the gas tank 4 times.

I'm in the market for a new car in the next year or two. I'd like to give the Volt a try, but for over 40k (pretty damn steep for a Chevy car that isn't a Corvette) I may as well buy a BMW 3 Series sedan.

That and GM is charging Canucks 10k above and beyond what the Volt costs in the US. Con artists.

One of my neighbors in Phoenix bought one in February.....he said he paid 28 000.

bend over your in Canuckistan Starting price here 42 000.

[OnTheIce]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I'm in the market for a new car in the next year or two. I'd like to give the Volt a try, but for over 40k (pretty damn steep for a Chevy car that isn't a Corvette) I may as well buy a BMW 3 Series sedan.

That and GM is charging Canucks 10k above and beyond what the Volt costs in the US. Con artists.

Don'd judge chevy before you view the cars in person. I hated the shit they put out in the early 2000's and the 1990's but the new cars are a huge step up.

BTW, Volts come in around 35k with the 8k rebate when you buy them.

BMW=Big money wasted!

[saturn_656]

I'd wouldn't pay over 30k for a Volt. The mileage improvements aren't worth 42k IMO.

Whether I ever get one or not would depend on how badly the dealer wants it off the lot.

[OnTheIce]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I'd wouldn't pay over 30k for a Volt. The mileage improvements aren't worth 42k IMO.

Whether I ever get one or not would depend on how badly the dealer wants it off the lot.

It's not just a mileage improvement. It's a massive change in how you drive. You rarely buy gas at all.

If you commute less than 80km a day, you're not buying gas at all....and even if you do exceed the battery, the generator used a fraction of the fuel a normal engine does.

Dealers are more than happy to hold onto them and sell them at full value. I haven't seen any of the dealers in our dealer group take a hit and sell one just to move it. They sell themselves. The lease and finance rates are shitty, but even still, they do move quite well.

[saturn_656]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I'd wouldn't pay over 30k for a Volt. The mileage improvements aren't worth 42k IMO.

Whether I ever get one or not would depend on how badly the dealer wants it off the lot.

It's not just a mileage improvement. It's a massive change in how you drive. You rarely buy gas at all.

If you commute less than 80km a day, you're not buying gas at all....and even if you do exceed the battery, the generator used a fraction of the fuel a normal engine does.

Dealers are more than happy to hold onto them and sell them at full value. I haven't seen any of the dealers in our dealer group take a hit and sell one just to move it. They sell themselves. The lease and finance rates are shitty, but even still, they do move quite well.

So no deals? Bummer.