[ShepherdsDog]

bambu bambu:

'bambu' word is Warray Tribe, Adelaide River NT name for a didgeridoo...for singing.

http://www.didgeridoobreath.com/kb_results.asp?ID=13

So you identify with something that drones?

[EyeBrock]

I agree with a few of you chaps. Imperial Japan of WW2 (and pre 1939) was a very nasty place. The atomic bombs were used to save a repeat of Okinawa where suicidal Japanese soldiers (and a few civilians) caused massive casualties to the US forces.

The typically nasty stuff that the Japanese did to soldiers, civilians, POW's, the peoples of occupied territories is very well documented. Japan deserved the use of atomic weapons.

Would the naysayers rather have had another 100,000 or 200,000 dead American boys added to the cost of defeating WW2 Japan? How else do you see Japan being defeated in WW2?

Obviously Japan is now an ally but to forget about WW2 et al would be a major politically correct oversight. There was just no need for the stuff that the Japanese military routinely inflicted on people. 1930's Japan was brutal and pure evil as a mainstream ideology.

There was a lot of that about on the planet in the 1930's. Lest we forget. It looks like a few of you have.

PS great looking chopper carrier.

[ShepherdsDog]

friends/allies became enemies and enemies have become friends/allies. The relationship between Germany/Prussia and the UK is especially interesting, as for centuries they were allies against the French.

[DrCaleb]

Hyack Hyack:

An interesting article on Japanese "destroyers" and "aircraft carriers".....

more of the story[/quote]

Excellent article! That does answer a few questions I had.

[Jabberwalker]

PS great looking chopper carrier.

We could use a few of those for hauling vehicles around the globe in what is, supposedly, the newest role for our army of providing little half-brigades to hot spots, as support for our alliances. HMCS Warrior never flew its Sea Furies over Korea but she was used to move gear about. The Maggie also carried a deck full of vehicles to Suez in 1956.

[Jabberwalker]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

Hyack Hyack:

An interesting article on Japanese "destroyers" and "aircraft carriers".....

more of the story

Excellent article! That does answer a few questions I had.[/quote]


I read with a little irony about the Amatsukaze prototype that was, among other things, armed with 3in50 guns. Those were developed specifically for shooting down Kamikazes at the end of WWII. That's about all that they were good for, in fact, is shooting down a slow moving aircraft. The supersonic jet era rendered them as obsolete as the Arquebus.

[llama66]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

I'm no PETA nut, but the exemption for "scientific whaling" is a cheap cover for commercial whaling and everyone and their dog knows it.

agreed. but its still covered under the treaty.

[bootlegga]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I agree with a few of you chaps. Imperial Japan of WW2 (and pre 1939) was a very nasty place. The atomic bombs were used to save a repeat of Okinawa where suicidal Japanese soldiers (and a few civilians) caused massive casualties to the US forces.

The typically nasty stuff that the Japanese did to soldiers, civilians, POW's, the peoples of occupied territories is very well documented. Japan deserved the use of atomic weapons.

Would the naysayers rather have had another 100,000 or 200,000 dead American boys added to the cost of defeating WW2 Japan? How else do you see Japan being defeated in WW2?

Obviously Japan is now an ally but to forget about WW2 et al would be a major politically correct oversight. There was just no need for the stuff that the Japanese military routinely inflicted on people. 1930's Japan was brutal and pure evil as a mainstream ideology.

There was a lot of that about on the planet in the 1930's. Lest we forget. It looks like a few of you have.

PS great looking chopper carrier.

I agree with most of that EB, but somehow I think revenge (for Pearl Harbor) and maybe even racism (put the yellow bastards in their place) also factored into the decision to drop the bomb on Japan. Obviously we'll never know, but I have doubts that the US would have been as willing to use nukes on Germany as they were on Japan.

Additionally, US strategy deliberately left some cities unscathed by large bombing raids (so they could determine how effective nukes really were) is more proof that they always intended to use it on Japan. The casualties at Okinawa simply became a convenient excuse for its use.

But the biggest factor in its use I think was aimed at Stalin. First, to show him just what they had - and that they had more than one - in case he got frisky in western Europe, where he had a massive advantage in conventional weapons. Second, it was used to keep him out of Japan proper, unlike Korea.

Having said that, Japan most definitely deserved all she got during WW2 for all the atrocities they committed. I'd also argue that given their refusal in many cases to atone for atrocities after the war, they probably got less than they deserved.

...edited for spelling

[Jabberwalker]

After the huge losses incurred invading Okinawa, it was calculated that the Allies would have had hundreds of thousands of casualties while invading the Japanese home islands. The Japanese themselves, with their creed to fight to the last man/woman/child and to die on one's sword rather than surrender, may have died in the millions. Those atomic bombs may very well have saved the lives of hundreds of thousands if not millions. As far as a "demonstration" attack, prior to dropping "the bomb", there actually was such an attack in March 1945 and it caused more casualties than either Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The Japanese carried on afterward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-hist ... g-of-tokyo

The Atomic bombs shocked them out of continuing but even that didn't happen right away. The "demonstration" attack thing is just looking backwards knowing what we think we know now but in 1945, the scene looked entirely different to the decision makers that were responsible for ending the war.

[bambu]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

bambu bambu:

'bambu' word is Warray Tribe, Adelaide River NT name for a didgeridoo...for singing.

http://www.didgeridoobreath.com/kb_results.asp?ID=13

So you identify with something that drones?

Yes, on two fronts;

1. http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/us-drone-strikes-guided-from-outback-20130720-2qb2c.html

US drone strikes guided from outback

Central Australia's Pine Gap spy base played a key role in the United States' controversial drone strikes involving the ''targeted killing'' of al-Qaeda and Taliban chiefs, Fairfax Media can reveal.

Former personnel at the Australian-American base have described the facility's success in locating and tracking al-Qaeda and Taliban leaders - and other insurgent activity in Afghanistan and Pakistan - as ''outstanding''.

Crucial: Officials have said that "the US will never fight another war in the eastern hemisphere without the direct involvement of Pine Gap". Photo:supplied

#####

Well there you go.




2. Circular Quay Sydney, nothing spectacular, but a nice walk around on a sunny day, from the Opera House to under the Bridge;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jptuEjuTig
Aboriginal guys playing Didgeridoo music at Circular Quay, Sydney


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahSrBVb6-jI
Didgeridoo Nature Australia ° Outback - Baka - Dingo go

[martin14]

bootlegga bootlegga:

Obviously we'll never know, but I have doubts that the US would have been as willing to use nukes on Germany as they were on Japan.

Additionally, US strategy deliberately left some cities unscathed by large bombing raids (so they could determine how effective nukes really were) is more proof that they always intended to use it on Japan. The casualties at Okinawa simply became a convenient excuse for its use.

Wismar and Bremen were not heavily bombed German cities.

I have no doubts the Americans would have nuked Germany, it was only they
surrendered before Trinity was ready, July 1945.

[bootlegga]

martin14 martin14:

bootlegga bootlegga:

Obviously we'll never know, but I have doubts that the US would have been as willing to use nukes on Germany as they were on Japan.

Additionally, US strategy deliberately left some cities unscathed by large bombing raids (so they could determine how effective nukes really were) is more proof that they always intended to use it on Japan. The casualties at Okinawa simply became a convenient excuse for its use.

Wismar and Bremen were not heavily bombed German cities.

I have no doubts the Americans would have nuked Germany, it was only they
surrendered before Trinity was ready, July 1945.

The USAF left four or five cities totally UNTOUCHED by strategic bombing - Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Kyoto (due to historical reasons) and one or two others I can't recall ATM. That means NO bombing raids at all, not just lightly bombed like Wismar and Bremen. Every other major city (70 or so) got hammered by raids and burnt to the ground.

To my knowledge, not one major German city was ignored for the entirety of the war by Allied bombing campaigns.

[llama66]

Japanese Whalers are only to be targeting Minkhe Whales, Migaloo is a Southern Humpback.

[llama66]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I agree with a few of you chaps. Imperial Japan of WW2 (and pre 1939) was a very nasty place. The atomic bombs were used to save a repeat of Okinawa where suicidal Japanese soldiers (and a few civilians) caused massive casualties to the US forces.

The typically nasty stuff that the Japanese did to soldiers, civilians, POW's, the peoples of occupied territories is very well documented. Japan deserved the use of atomic weapons.

Would the naysayers rather have had another 100,000 or 200,000 dead American boys added to the cost of defeating WW2 Japan? How else do you see Japan being defeated in WW2?

Obviously Japan is now an ally but to forget about WW2 et al would be a major politically correct oversight. There was just no need for the stuff that the Japanese military routinely inflicted on people. 1930's Japan was brutal and pure evil as a mainstream ideology.

There was a lot of that about on the planet in the 1930's. Lest we forget. It looks like a few of you have.

PS great looking chopper carrier.

I watched a very interesting show about the 1923 Great Kantō earthquake, and in it they surmised that in the aftermath of the earthquake Japan turned back in on its self which gave way for the military to take power, and well... we all know how that ended.

[GreenTiger]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

After the huge losses incurred invading Okinawa, it was calculated that the Allies would have had hundreds of thousands of casualties while invading the Japanese home islands. The Japanese themselves, with their creed to fight to the last man/woman/child and to die on one's sword rather than surrender, may have died in the millions. Those atomic bombs may very well have saved the lives of hundreds of thousands if not millions. As far as a "demonstration" attack, prior to dropping "the bomb", there actually was such an attack in March 1945 and it caused more casualties than either Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The Japanese carried on afterward.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/tokyo.htm

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-hist ... g-of-tokyo

The Atomic bombs shocked them out of continuing but even that didn't happen right away. The "demonstration" attack thing is just looking backwards knowing what we think we know now but in 1945, the scene looked entirely different to the decision makers that were responsible for ending the war.