[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Like I said NAIVE AS FUCK.

Keep dreaming wannabe. You wanting something to be true is not the same thing as it being true. How many times do you have to be told that before it sinks in?

There's a reason socialism keeps failing and the only remnant of it that occasionally survives is what's built on a free market.

$1:

Nice strawman. But you righties are famous for your straw men.

I wish you would learn what a strawman actually was. Hint: What you wanted to be one, wasn't. Seriously Beave I can't even point and laugh at you anymore. It stopped being funny. I'm getting embarrassed for you.

Well can tell you’re out of gas when uou’ve got nothing left but cheap insults.

Your rants against socialism “taking away everyone’s wealth” is a straw man because nobody here is advocating for that. Arguing against a position that nobody is taking is straw man argument You claim that I don’t know what a straw man is but in fact you have no idea. Claiming superiority on a subject on which you’re actually wholly ignorant is a well established pattern of yours.


You think millionaires and billionaires have little to no extra advantages in life compared to poor people and that we live in a perfect meritocracy. That is laughable and childishly NAIVE AS FUCK

Also I’m pretty sure even your grubby Deplorable Trump supporters don’t see it that way. Aren’t they blaming “globalist elites” for their difficult lives?

[PublicAnimalNo9]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Thanos Thanos:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

... as virtually any RICH and POWERFUL white person...

Corrected that for you. Quit blaming all of us for the malice of those who oppressed and treated other white people like garbage as much as they did to those from the other races.

A white person did not need to be rich or powerful to have more advantages rights and privileges than a black person in the jim crow south. That was actually an intentional fact of law. How have you not heard of segregation?

How are you not aware that this is Canada, not the deep American south and that CANADA had no such laws. Why the hell do leftists up here continually conflate Canadian and US history?

But you know what makes me laugh (or cry) the hardest at leftist shit stains? Their total, gross hypocrisy when it comes to their fake morals. "Oh, we need to erase the memory of Sir John A. MacDonald because of his attitude towards the Native people at the time", say a bunch of clueless fuckwits who worship an uber-religious homophobe by the name of Tommy Douglas.

[herbie]

$1:

So tell me something then Mr. Wizard. America led the world to a level of progress civilization had never seen.

WTF does that have to do with anything being discussed? Conveniently forget an entire history of native genocide to spout more Glorious Yank free enterprise tripe?

Bill C69 sets a clear path that business does not like simply because it is more rules and Kenney opposes simply because no political policy other than fight Ottawa even if he bites the hand that feeds them.

[BeaverFever]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

How are you not aware that this is Canada, not the deep American south

Not the point.

$1:

CANADA had no such laws.

We did for status FN people who weren’t even allowed to vote until the 1960s and still only have the “privilege” of doing so as act of parliament not as a constitutional right. Also there was segregation in practice in many parts of the country even though it wasn’t officially law,many places such as local school boards just had it as their policy or standard practice.

[llama66]

That's the Indian Act for you. But your fine with that evil act. Guess your not as progressive as you think you are.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Like I said NAIVE AS FUCK.

Keep dreaming wannabe. You wanting something to be true is not the same thing as it being true. How many times do you have to be told that before it sinks in?

There's a reason socialism keeps failing and the only remnant of it that occasionally survives is what's built on a free market.

$1:

Nice strawman. But you righties are famous for your straw men.

I wish you would learn what a strawman actually was. Hint: What you wanted to be one, wasn't. Seriously Beave I can't even point and laugh at you anymore. It stopped being funny. I'm getting embarrassed for you.

Well can tell you’re out of gas when uou’ve got nothing left but cheap insults.

Sweet pea. Check out what the replies are to. You're offering nothing but cheap insults. Replying in kind doesn't mean it's "all I've got." I've got plenty. Get back on topic and I'll show you.

[N_Fiddledog]

Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I always have to explain basics to you.

A straw man is not replying to somebody else's strawman.

You can't draw somebody else off topic with straw men then point and squeal "Strawman! Strawman!"

Well you can but you look like an idiot.

I'll try again. This began with you calling somebody a bigot for suggesting he believed all Canadians including what we currently call "natives" should be treated equally.

Apparently you believe "natives" need a handicap (as in golf or horse racing handicap) and anybody who doesn't think so is racist.

I offered a metaphor of a race where people started from the same starting point of opportunity to pursue happiness as individuals, regardless of gifts they were born with or without.

You either didn't understand this or had no reply to it and the next thing I know you were wanting to talk about white privilege, Jim Crow and other assorted strawmen.

I keep trying to draw it back to the old debate of equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome so you will understand it's more a perception of what we mean by equality that makes you want to call people bigot

(And we all know when you say bigot you mean racist. )

[BeaverFever]

llama66 llama66:

That's the Indian Act for you. But your fine with that evil act. Guess your not as progressive as you think you are.

I never said I’m fine with the Indian Act, now did I? In fact I’ve condemned it many times over the years

[llama66]

The IA IS WHY indigenous peoples in Canada are impoverished.

[BeaverFever]

N_Fiddledog N_Fiddledog:

Come to think of it, I'm not sure why I always have to explain basics to you.

Because what you call “basics” are the rantings if a delusional madman.

$1:

A straw man is not replying to somebody else's strawman.

You can't draw somebody else off topic with straw men then point and squeal "Strawman! Strawman!"

Well you can but you look like an idiot.

I'll try again. This began with you calling somebody a bigot for suggesting he believed all Canadians including what we currently call "natives" should be treated equally.

Boy you have a really bad memory why don’t you go back and read this thread again . You posted before I did, genius, and you took the thread off topic with your rant about somehow people are being forced to figuratively run as slow as the slowest runner, which is straw man number 1 because nobody here has ever said that. In your next post you double down with another straw man saying we want to “take other people’s money” even though again nobody here as ever said. Tell your doctor to adjust your meds cuz your crazy pills are affecting your memory.

Secondly just to correct yet another of your sloppy statements, we actually don’t currently call them “natives”.

$1:

Apparently you believe "natives" need a handicap (as in golf or horse racing handicap) and anybody who doesn't think so is racist.

No there’s your straw man again.

$1:

I offered a metaphor of a race where people started from the same starting point of opportunity to pursue happiness as individuals, regardless of gifts they were born with or without.

You either didn't understand this or had no reply to it and the next thing I know you were wanting to talk about white privilege, Jim Crow and other assorted strawmen.

Your metaphor is flawed because it’s not a race. You’re not in competition with them In a race, only one person can come in first, second, third etc. It’s not zero sum.

Also your silly cliche argument that “money doesn’t buy happiness” and therefore there are no real advantages in life to being rich or disadvantages to being poor is so naive it’s beyond fucking stupid. What are you 12 years old?

$1:

I keep trying to draw it back to the old debate of equality of opportunity versus equality of outcome so you will understand it's more a perception of what we mean by equality that makes you want to call people bigot

(And we all know when you say bigot you mean racist. )

Nobody has said equality of outcome there you are with a straw man. And I never called anyone a bigot either.

That’s 2 more straw men. Why are you such a liar? Doesn’t it embarrass you?

[BeaverFever]

llama66 llama66:

The IA IS WHY indigenous peoples in Canada are impoverished.

Agreed, But note it wasn’t written by the “Indians” it was written by their colonial conquerers and imposed upon them.

[martin14]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

llama66 llama66:

That's the Indian Act for you. But your fine with that evil act. Guess your not as progressive as you think you are.

I never said I’m fine with the Indian Act, now did I? In fact I’ve condemned it many times over the years

Of course.

Because the IA doesn't give enough White man's money. Not enough at all.

[llama66]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

llama66 llama66:

The IA IS WHY indigenous peoples in Canada are impoverished.

Agreed, But note it wasn’t written by the “Indians” it was written by their colonial conquerers and imposed upon them.

That's usually what happens when you lose a war. The victor dictates terms. Nothing new. Pretty much the constant of human history. There literally nowhere on earth that hasn't been fought over.

[N_Fiddledog]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

Boy you have a really bad memory why don’t you go back and read this thread again . You posted before I did, genius, and you took the thread off topic with your rant about somehow people are being forced to figuratively run as slow as the slowest runner, which is straw man number 1 because nobody here has ever said that. In your next post you double down with another straw man saying we want to “take other people’s money” even though again nobody here as ever said. Tell your doctor to adjust your meds cuz your crazy pills are affecting your memory.

OMG, I can't believe it. You're finally right about something. Do it again, we'll have to change your name to Clockboy.

I had to go back and check. But yes you're correct. I mixed you up with herb. Easy enough to do, I think. There isn't a lot of space between your belief systems.

But OK, now I know.

So if we remove all the BS, it went like this - Dragontail thinks all Canadians should get equal treatment.

Herb thinks that's bigoted. He appears to believe natives are disadvantaged and therefore need the protection of the Indian Act or something.

Doesn't matter. I say Dragontail's preference of equal treatment for all can't be bigoted. It's about being equal.

Beave then jumped in to tell me I am "as naive as fuck" for believing this." In the way of a metaphor he tells me you can't run a race from a common starting point under equal rules for all because some competitors come to the race with greater advantages. I accused him of wanting to weight down Usain Bolt's sneakers, so to speak.

I prefer equality of opportunity where an individual pursues contentment under the same rules as everybody else. This is regardless of whatever gifts he is born with or into. It's why immigrants come to the West. They get an equal opportunity to improve their lives.

Beave and herb appear to believe in equality of outcome, where things are managed to insure equal outcomes. So if somebody or bodies decide somebody else has too much money, for example, they take it from him under such a system, as I understand it.

How much wealth is too much? Dunno. Such systems always seem to want more though.

The problem with this idea of managed equality is if you manage away the advantages of individuals (gifted or earned) what you're left with is equality at the level of the disadvantaged.

With the metaphor I gave of the race everybody arrives at the finish line at the same time but they arrive at the speed of the slowest competitor.

[N_Fiddledog]

Now Beave is going to claim this is all a strawman. He'll say something like:

$1:

Your rants against socialism “taking away everyone’s wealth” is a straw man because nobody here is advocating for that. Arguing against a position that nobody is taking is straw man argument

Very well if you're not talking about taking away from some to benefit others what are you talking about? You tell me that the reason you can't start a race from an equal starting point under equal rules is some will come to the race with greater gifts. You tell me it's not fair that people like Trump and Bush come into the world with inherited money. Very well, if that's the problem what do you plan to do about it? Take from the advantaged to benefit the disadvantaged, until all are equal, I assume. What would we call a system like that, I wonder.