[Thanos]

Zipperfish Zipperfish:

....In my opinion, we are just exacerbating the situation. We should GTFO......

There's a lot of truth to that. Interfering over there has just delayed the inevitable mass conflict between the Sunnis and Shiites. It certainly hasn't prevented it permanently. Politically though the West, or more specifically the US because the smaller powers have more wiggle room to walk away from the mess, is stuck there forever. You have to keep in mind the sway that foreign interests have in Washington DC that encourage Congress and POTUS to remain involved over there. Most of this influence peddling comes from the Gulf States. Al Qaeda and ISIS are their creation that they made to keep the religious radicalism out of their own backyards and safely away in places like Afghanistan, Iraq, and Syria. Having the US fight them in Syria and Iraq keeps them from coming home to Riyadh and Abu Dhabi.

Another major problem is the endless antics of Likud's amen chorus, as Pat Buchanan once accurately called them, that goes into histrionics over any potential threat to Israel even if it's clear to most everyone else that Israel would pound the shit out of any Al Qaeda or ISIS group that attacked them. If any president ever said what Lyndon Johnson did about Vietnam before the US got hopelessly tangled up there, as in "I'm not sending American boys to fight a war that Vietnamese boys are unwillingly to fight themselves", and said that they were withdrawing wholesale from the Middle East the first outraged wailing would come along the lines of "we're abandoning Israel to be destroyed!". That's how deeply the media propaganda and special interest group activities control the situation. The United States in particular is stuck there forever, or at least until their political system is shaken up significantly enough to get rid of the power these special interests have over the American political process. There is no escape until that happens.

[BRAH]

The last time the West sat back and did nothing was Rwanda.

[martin14]

BRAH BRAH:

The last time the west sat back and did nothing was Rwanda.

Yes but the last time the West did something was Libya.

Look how well that turned out.

[DrCaleb]

martin14 martin14:

BRAH BRAH:

The last time the west sat back and did nothing was Rwanda.

Yes but the last time the West did something was Libya.

Look how well that turned out.

Actually . . . the last time it did something would be 'Ukraine'.

[QBall]

Apparently the family never applied for asylum in Canada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... e26213820/

Family of drowned boy did not apply for asylum: Ottawa

[BartSimpson]

martin14 martin14:

BRAH BRAH:

The last time the west sat back and did nothing was Rwanda.

Yes but the last time the West did something was Libya.

Look how well that turned out.

Actually Obama fucked up Syria by arming ISIS to overthrow Assad. That's the last thing we did. Oh, and the same dipshit had the bright idea of letting Iran pursue nuclear weapons unabated AND he's giving them $150 billion to use for nukes and arming Hezbollah.

[BartSimpson]

QBall QBall:

Apparently the family never applied for asylum in Canada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... e26213820/

Family of drowned boy did not apply for asylum: Ottawa

[N_Fiddledog]

QBall QBall:

Apparently the family never applied for asylum in Canada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat ... e26213820/

Family of drowned boy did not apply for asylum: Ottawa

Exactly.

And this family is not just Syrian. They're Syrian Kurds. That matters.

These Kurds are from Kobane. Remember in January when some Kurds were returning to Kobane after allied bombers and kurdish fighters retook the city.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... n-out.html

But I guess there are still Kurdish refugees in Turkey trying to get to other countries. The Kurdi family was among them. They were apparently still trying to get out of Turkey. Here's the problem there:

$1:

The family had two strikes against it — like thousands of other Syrian-Kurdish refugees in Turkey, the United Nations would not register them as refugees, and the Turkish government would not grant them exit visas. …

Canada and Turkey have long been at loggerheads over the bottleneck blocking Syrian refugees in Turkey from finding their way to Canada. It is not uncommon for Kurds in Syria to be arbitrarily denied passports, and to have great difficulty registering as refugees with the UNHCR. The Turkish government refuses to issue exit visas to unregistered refugees not holding valid passports.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canad ... -in-canada

Canada was not responsible for the Kurdi family not being able to take advantage of our recent offer to take in 10,000 syrian refugees.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canad ... if-elected

[BRAH]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

martin14 martin14:

BRAH BRAH:

The last time the west sat back and did nothing was Rwanda.

Yes but the last time the West did something was Libya.

Look how well that turned out.

Actually Obama fucked up Syria by arming ISIS to overthrow Assad. That's the last thing we did. Oh, and the same dipshit had the bright idea of letting Iran pursue nuclear weapons unabated AND he's giving them $150 billion to use for nukes and arming Hezbollah.

It Was At This Moment The Community Organizer-in-Chief Knew, He F****d Up!

[BRAH]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

martin14 martin14:

BRAH BRAH:

The last time the west sat back and did nothing was Rwanda.

Yes but the last time the West did something was Libya.

Look how well that turned out.

Actually . . . the last time it did something would be 'Ukraine'.

Arrival of Canadian troops for Operation UNIFIER signals start of training mission in Ukraine

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/news/article ... e/idw3e6fk
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Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada is the only Western Country doing something in Ukraine.

[BartSimpson]

BRAH BRAH:

Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada is the only Western Country doing something in Ukraine.

The USA has 1100 troops in Ukraine and they're training the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are to my knowledge also receiving weapons from Poland, Lithuania, Romania, and Estonia. In particular they're getting TGM-148 anti-tank missiles which have been used with significant effect against the Russian armor in Eastern Ukraine.

NATO just today opened a forward HQ in Lithuania and it will have a full time housekeeping staff of forty.

The USA has 40~ A-10 Warthogs deployed (ironically) at former Soviet bases in Poland and the Baltics, we've moved up elements of the Blackhorse armored division into the theatre and we'll likely have the whole division in theatre before the end of the year.

We admit moving two F-22 fighters into the region but given the absence of 15 fighters at Hickam the likely number is larger. We're also activating mothballed F-16 and F-15 fighters at Davis-Monthan along with A-10 fighters.

Bremerton is replenishing six Ohio class subs and these are not the retrofitted Ohio's that carry Tomahawks. These boats are going to go to sea with Tridents probably this month. That's to answer Russia's recent nuclear threats.

~~~~~~~~~~~

This is all the non-classified junk I've heard. We're undoubtedly doing much more than this.

[BRAH]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BRAH BRAH:

Correct me if I'm wrong but Canada is the only Western Country doing something in Ukraine.

The USA has 1100 troops in Ukraine and they're training the Ukrainians. The Ukrainians are to my knowledge also receiving weapons from Poland, Lithuania, Romania, and Estonia. In particular they're getting TGM-148 anti-tank missiles which have been used with significant effect against the Russian armor in Eastern Ukraine.

NATO just today opened a forward HQ in Lithuania and it will have a full time housekeeping staff of forty.

The USA has 40~ A-10 Warthogs deployed (ironically) at former Soviet bases in Poland and the Baltics, we've moved up elements of the Blackhorse armored division into the theatre and we'll likely have the whole division in theatre before the end of the year.

We admit moving two F-22 fighters into the region but given the absence of 15 fighters at Hickam the likely number is larger.

Bremerton is replenishing six Ohio class subs and these are not the retrofitted Ohio's that carry Tomahawks. These boats are going to go to sea with Tridents probably this month. That's to answer Russia's recent nuclear threats.

That's good to know and thankfully the lame stream media hasn't forgotten about Ukraine since Bruce Jenner became an Autobot and transformed.

[BartSimpson]

BRAH BRAH:

That's good to know and thankfully the lame stream media hasn't forgotten about Ukraine since Bruce Jenner became an Autobot and transformed.

Right now it's good to have the media distracted so they don't get in the way of the very necessary buildup in Europe.

[BRAH]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BRAH BRAH:

That's good to know and thankfully the lame stream media hasn't forgotten about Ukraine since Bruce Jenner became an Autobot and transformed.

Right now it's good to have the media distracted so they don't get in the way of the very necessary buildup in Europe.

Valid point, meanwhile Justin Trudeau and Thomas Mulcair only care when they use the image of a dead child to try and score ghoulish political points against Harper.

[BartSimpson]

Liberals are always against war unless they're the ones starting it.