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Title: Medical marijuana grow-ops need an overhaul, say B.C. mayors
Category: Health
Posted By: Scape
Date: 2011-03-13 23:25:18
Canadian

[Canadiana55]

I can help. For a fee.

[SprCForr]

WTH?

$1:

Health Canada licences grow ops on behalf of authorized patients, but the locations are kept secret from authorities for “privacy reasons.”

What's the reasoning behind this bit of brilliance?

[DrCaleb]

SprCForr SprCForr:

WTH?

$1:

Health Canada licences grow ops on behalf of authorized patients, but the locations are kept secret from authorities for “privacy reasons.”

What's the reasoning behind this bit of brilliance?

Because it would be a great shopping list for thieves?

[SprCForr]

Seems to be, judging from the news link.

Dope.

Kinda says it all.

[Curtman]

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�When police come upon a medical grow home with 150 plants, some of them [two metres] tall, the structural integrity of the house is compromised by moisture in the air,� she says.

There should be no reason to grow 150 plants of anything in a residential building. Prohibition is the only reason that happens.

[Dayseed]

Curtman Curtman:

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�When police come upon a medical grow home with 150 plants, some of them [two metres] tall, the structural integrity of the house is compromised by moisture in the air,� she says.

There should be no reason to grow 150 plants of anything in a residential building. Prohibition is the only reason that happens.

No. Marijuana grow-ops happen because there's profit to be made. Even if you legalize marijuana, cunning thieves will just figure out a way to deliver pot to market cheaper than the government will allow. If that means growing it indoors then so be it.

I would agree, however, that the incidence of urban marijuana grow-ops would decline.

[Curtman]

Dayseed Dayseed:

No. Marijuana grow-ops happen because there's profit to be made. Even if you legalize marijuana, cunning thieves will just figure out a way to deliver pot to market cheaper than the government will allow. If that means growing it indoors then so be it.

I would agree, however, that the incidence of urban marijuana grow-ops would decline.

They wont for the same reason that they aren't selling moonshine. Even with the extraordinary levels of taxation on alcohol, it isn't worth it.

[Dayseed]

Curtman Curtman:

They wont for the same reason that they aren't selling moonshine. Even with the extraordinary levels of taxation on alcohol, it isn't worth it.

Your original statement was that marijuana grow-ops occur because of prohibition. That is, people grow indoors simply because they're not allowed. The counter-argument that I made is that marijuana is made for profit.

If prohibition ends and it is still cheaper to grow marijuana illegally indoors and sell it at profit than you can get from retail stores, then crooks will continue to grow.

My references, often made, are cigarettes, movies and airbags. You're only reference is being a drug trafficker. That's like a trucker waxing on Coca-Cola production because he drives to Food Basics.

[Curtman]

Dayseed Dayseed:

Curtman Curtman:

They wont for the same reason that they aren't selling moonshine. Even with the extraordinary levels of taxation on alcohol, it isn't worth it.

Your original statement was that marijuana grow-ops occur because of prohibition. That is, people grow indoors simply because they're not allowed. The counter-argument that I made is that marijuana is made for profit.

If prohibition ends and it is still cheaper to grow marijuana illegally indoors and sell it at profit than you can get from retail stores, then crooks will continue to grow.

My references, often made, are cigarettes, movies and airbags. You're only reference is being a drug trafficker. That's like a trucker waxing on Coca-Cola production because he drives to Food Basics.

My reference is being a rational person who recognizes that regulation works better than prohibition. Even for things more dangerous than marijuana, like alcohol. When was the last time you heard of a tobacco grow-op damaging the structure of a house?

[Freakinoldguy]

Curtman Curtman:

Dayseed Dayseed:

No. Marijuana grow-ops happen because there's profit to be made. Even if you legalize marijuana, cunning thieves will just figure out a way to deliver pot to market cheaper than the government will allow. If that means growing it indoors then so be it.

I would agree, however, that the incidence of urban marijuana grow-ops would decline.

They wont for the same reason that they aren't selling moonshine. Even with the extraordinary levels of taxation on alcohol, it isn't worth it.

Didn't we go through this once before? Even if you legalize pot and sell it in liquour stores in Canada, you're not gonna stop organized crime and the growops.

Thing about it. When the US had prohibition, Canadian criminals supplied alot of their booze, illegally, despite the fact that we had repealled prohibition much earlier and you could buy it legally in Canadian ligour stores.

So, why would legalizing pot make the Criminals stop growing and sending large shipments to the US for huge profits that they wouldn't have to pay tax on?

By the look of it, the legalize marijuana now lobby isn't telling the whole truth about why they want it legalized. It looks like their motives are self indulgent and it's mostly so they can smoke their brains out, grow their own and never have to pay taxes on it or worry about being arrested for doing either.

[Curtman]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

Didn't we go through this once before? Even if you legalize pot and sell it in liquour stores in Canada, you're not gonna stop organized crime and the growops.

Thing about it. When the US had prohibition, Canadian criminals supplied alot of their booze, illegally, despite the fact that we had repealled prohibition much earlier and you could buy it legally in Canadian ligour stores.

So, why would legalizing pot make the Criminals stop growing and sending large shipments to the US for huge profits that they wouldn't have to pay tax on?

By the look of it, the legalize marijuana now lobby isn't telling the whole truth about why they want it legalized. It looks like their motives are self indulgent and it's mostly so they can smoke their brains out, grow their own and never have to pay taxes on it or worry about being arrested for doing either.

The US still has prohibition, and so do we. Neither country can expect a law against a plant growing to work any more than they can legislate fermentation. Criminals will make money wherever the black market exists.

They can smoke their brains out already, it's not about that. It's about where the money goes.

[Freakinoldguy]

The only way this whole legalization thing will work is if BOTH countries legalize it at the same time. Then it may stop the gangs and major growops but it isn't gonna stop people from growing their own, so they don't have to pay taxes or money for their recreational drug.

Look at the homemade beer and wine bottling industries. If people wanted to pay government prices and the taxes for their beer and wine they wouldn't exhist. The the same thing will happen when they legalize marijuana.

People don't like paying taxes period. And it doesn't matter if it's for consumer goods, services, income taxes or drugs, if they can find a way around it they will.

[Curtman]

Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:

The only way this whole legalization thing will work is if BOTH countries legalize it at the same time. Then it may stop the gangs and major growops but it isn't gonna stop people from growing their own, so they don't have to pay taxes or money for their recreational drug.

They do that now as well, why should that matter to those of us who want to reduce the harm done by prohibition? I don't care if someone grows 5 plants. I care if the gangsters up the street grow 5000. The tax revenue is an obvious benefit, but it shouldn't be anyone's primary concern.

$1:

Look at the homemade beer and wine bottling industries. If people wanted to pay government prices and the taxes for their beer and wine they wouldn't exhist. The the same thing will happen when they legalize marijuana.

People don't like paying taxes period. And it doesn't matter if it's for consumer goods, services, income taxes or drugs, if they can find a way around it they will.

Bootlegging is not causing the same harm to our society that humongous profits from drugs are. The violence and death just isn't even comparable, until you go up North where alcohol is prohibited, or travel back in time to when politicians thought they could legislate it away.

If people were as determined to find a way around paying taxes as you say they are, there would be no alcohol or tobacco industry. It would all be made at home. They don't though, they would rather go to the liquor store and then pick up a pack of smokes at the gas station on the way home.

[Choban]

This article is about licensed medical grow ops not illegal criminal grow ops and as such has no bearing on the legalization issue, if the government were more responsable licensing these growers and dictating the locations thay are allowed to grow in then there wouldn't be an issue, but at the same time to tell someone willing to grow for medical reasons that they have to rent or lease a large suitable place to do it would deter peolp from doing it and lower the ammount of medical herb available, it's a bit of a vicious circle.