[DrCaleb]

Tricks Tricks:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Time to get the old burn barrel going again.

I live in the boonies. I never stopped. But I burn very little.

I sort my plastic, paper and metal and take them to the recycle section of the dump myself. I compost food scraps that the magpies won't eat. The little bit that is left; contaminated paper, plastic that can't be recycled - all get burnt.

Does the plastic actually burn up properly?

It is no longer there, so I assume so. I use a pretty hot fire. Nothing but some ash that I clean out occasionally.

[herbie]

$1:

This crap can't be recycled, it's garbage.

What I said.
More a scam by Soprano's Waste Management than anything to do with recycling. Hell, shipping old computers halfway around the world to be burnt isn't recycling either.

[Thanos]

herbie herbie:

$1:

This crap can't be recycled, it's garbage.

What I said.
More a scam by Soprano's Waste Management than anything to do with recycling. Hell, shipping old computers halfway around the world to be burnt isn't recycling either.

Which is why all these programs should be put on hiatus and investigated to see exactly what the hell is going on. If they've turned into simple transferring trash to poor countries that either incinerate it without any sort of emission controls or burying it or tossing it in the damn ocean then they aren't recycling it and the programs should be stopped altogether.

I'll give BC credit for their program of the last five years. If the board in charge of the industry-funded program is telling the truth then almost all their plastic waste is processed by a not-for-profit in-province facility and it's only Styrofoam-type packing that gets shipped to Asia. This is what should be forced on every province in Canada to also do - ban shipping it altogether, especially no more end-runs around the intent of the programs by sending it through the US first to magically render it "not Canada's problem anymore".

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It is no longer there, so I assume so. I use a pretty hot fire. Nothing but some ash that I clean out occasionally.

Interesting. I would have thought it would just melt and accumulate at the bottom.

[bootlegga]

Thanos Thanos:

herbie herbie:

$1:

This crap can't be recycled, it's garbage.

What I said.
More a scam by Soprano's Waste Management than anything to do with recycling. Hell, shipping old computers halfway around the world to be burnt isn't recycling either.

Which is why all these programs should be put on hiatus and investigated to see exactly what the hell is going on. If they've turned into simple transferring trash to poor countries that either incinerate it without any sort of emission controls or burying it or tossing it in the damn ocean then they aren't recycling it and the programs should be stopped altogether.

I'll give BC credit for their program of the last five years. If the board in charge of the industry-funded program is telling the truth then almost all their plastic waste is processed by a not-for-profit in-province facility and it's only Styrofoam-type packing that gets shipped to Asia. This is what should be forced on every province in Canada to also do - ban shipping it altogether, especially no more end-runs around the intent of the programs by sending it through the US first to magically render it "not Canada's problem anymore".

One of the reasons we started shipping stuff to Asia (China especially), was that they'd send over sea containers full of clothes, toys, electronics, etc and they'd fill up the containers with cardboard and plastic for the trip back. Then companies there would recycle it into packaging for the stuff they made or even recycle it into the goods they made. Nine Dragons Paper Holdings in China is one of the largest recycling companies in the world.

It was win/win for them.

Unfortunately, too many Canadians are too lazy to separate cardboard/plastic from dirty diapers and other garbage, so China stopped accepting those goods from Canada. I'd guess the brokers who used to ship it to China, started shipping it to the rest of Asia instead, and because it's so filthy, it's useless to them too.

[Thanos]

I've been a diligent recycler for almost thirty years but I've had enough. I'll do carboard/paper and metal, and the harder plastics like milk jugs, but that's it. The rest of the plastic will be tightly packed and thrown out with the rest of the garbage. I have no faith anymore that these programs are being managed responsibly.

Staples was operating a collection system for electronics but they gave up on that too because too many batteries from cellphones, laptops, and tablets kept exploding/leaking during shipping. Now there's random containers parked around the city for collection by whomever is now involved. The way electronics have also obviously handled by whoever managed this program means it too is probably a bollocks in motion. Which means all this computer and TV junk is now being stored somewhere until a new scam can be organized.

Not going out on a limb here. Clearly a lot of recycling has been an organizational and managerial debacle, and probably for a long time too. It needs to be fully investigated and re-organized at all levels.

[BartSimpson]

Tricks Tricks:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It is no longer there, so I assume so. I use a pretty hot fire. Nothing but some ash that I clean out occasionally.

Interesting. I would have thought it would just melt and accumulate at the bottom.

Plastics are typically made from petroleum and coal products so if you have a hot enough fire it all burns off.

[fifeboy]

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/climate/sweden-garbage-used-for-fuel.amp.html
Why or why not? I don’t know enough about it to have an opinion.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It is no longer there, so I assume so. I use a pretty hot fire. Nothing but some ash that I clean out occasionally.

Interesting. I would have thought it would just melt and accumulate at the bottom.

Plastics are typically made from petroleum and coal products so if you have a hot enough fire it all burns off.

That's a good point.

[Thanos]

fifeboy fifeboy:

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/09/21/climate/sweden-garbage-used-for-fuel.amp.html
Why or why not? I don’t know enough about it to have an opinion.

That's a huge question. If countries traditionally to the left like Sweden or Germany are using incineration because (a) recycling can't keep up with the volume or (b) plastics are turning out to be too expensive to get rid of via recycling, then why aren't other countries? Proper filtration of incinerator emissions can get rid of most of the toxic burn-off fumes to the point where they're a negligible concern and won't lead to an increase in smog either. This is something that needs to be explored much more intensively to find out if simply destroying the accumulated trash is the better solution.

[DrCaleb]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Tricks Tricks:

Interesting. I would have thought it would just melt and accumulate at the bottom.

Plastics are typically made from petroleum and coal products so if you have a hot enough fire it all burns off.

That's a good point.

And I use wood scraps from woodworking to light the fire. Oak, Maple, Hickory . . .they burn hot and long.

[BRAH]

Facepalm!

[Thanos]

This they cheer about, like it's some kind of fucking victory, after being horribly embarrassed on a matter of ethics by a murderer like Duterts. This country sometimes...

What's the carbon footprint BTW from the diesel fuel burned by the container ships in taking this trash across the Pacific Ocean TWICE?

[herbie]

About that of 5 million cars.
That' cuz these people are corporate bureaucrats at heart. They heard the word recycling, saw it's popular and angled every fucking way under the sun to make $$ and claim it has something to do with saving the environment.
Like sending our old computers half way round the world and pretenting burning them in some peasant's living room is recycling.
They just don't get it, they never will.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Thanos Thanos:

This they cheer about, like it's some kind of fucking victory, after being horribly embarrassed on a matter of ethics by a murderer like Duterts. This country sometimes...

What's the carbon footprint BTW from the diesel fuel burned by the container ships in taking this trash across the Pacific Ocean TWICE?

Well, it's more likely bunker fuel than diesel and we're looking at an approximate fuel mileage of about 30m per bbl of bunker fuel. Give or take a few meters. If it's diesel, the fuel mileage won't be a whole lot better, if any.

This is why I get pissed off at the fucking morons whining about Canada's emissions. For Christ sake at the height of Alberta's oil production, Canada's annual emissions were around half that of international maritime shipping. And that was going on while the amount of emissions generated per bbl of oil in Alberta was decreasing, eventually by 23%, so far.

And the fact we have some of the highest per capita emissions is because we're a geographically large country with a small, thinly spread out population and long distances between large urban centers. Per capita means fuck all when compared to the actual total. It's just a way of playing with numbers to try and guilt Canadians into believing they're worse contributors than they actually are.

Like I said a while back, leftists have finally figured out how to literally tax the very air we breathe. Remember when that used to be a joke? It's not anymore.

As for the trash problem, I take small comfort in one thing and one thing only, at least Canada isn't the only country doing this with a virtue signaling jackass at the helm. Not that it excuses us, but we aren't the only "progressive" country doing this.