[Jabberwalker]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

DON'T BUILD THEM NEXT TO RESIDENCES !!!



... for gawds sakes

How about this....don't build houses beside established industrial areas. A lot of these homes and homeowners, came in long after industry in Oakville.

It reminds me of people that move into a condo on Queen St and then bitch endlessly about the noise from the streetcars....ignoring the fact that the streetcars have been running for 100 years or so.

You mean. don't build your houses a generation or two before the industrial area was built beside it?

That is what happened in Oakville. Those are old neighbourhoods abutting the gas plant site and they are older than the Ford plant.

Again ..., you are uninformed. I suggest that you drive those streets and take a look.

[OnTheIce]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

You mean. don't build your houses a generation or two before the industrial area was built beside it?

That is what happened in Oakville. Those are old neighbourhoods abutting the gas plant site and they are older than the Ford plant.

Again ..., you are uninformed. I suggest that you drive those streets and take a look.

Uninformed? Yea....from the guy who's not even aware of the industry going on in the City he lives in.

Yea, you're a beacon of knowledge over there.

[Jabberwalker]

Okay, Einstein. List Oakville's "Heavy" industry:

[Xort]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

DON'T BUILD THEM NEXT TO RESIDENCES !!!

Why not? It's a natural gas plant, they are not loud, don't release harmful emissions have a very low amount of traffic.

The closest they would have been built was still a reasonable distance. It's not like these are windmills that make people sick, due to sound and the flashing of shadows.

The cars those people drive make more noise and emit more harmful emissions.

[Jabberwalker]

Good. Build one beside your house. These people didn't want it beside their house and no one asked them.

[OnTheIce]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Okay, Einstein. List Oakville's "Heavy" industry:

See above. You know, the post you glossed over when you finally realised that there's far more industrial going on in the City where you live?

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Good. Build one beside your house. These people didn't want it beside their house and no one asked them.

But they opted to purchased a house adjacent to a car manufacturing plant and a railway. Houses that were built AFTER the plant and railway where in place.

The bottom line here is Jabber, the houses just South of the plant, which are not older than the Ford plant BTW, are being smashed down and renovated into 1+ million dollar homes.

It's nimbyism at it's finest and your constant talk about house values just proves that. You and the rest of Oakville are 'too good' for a power plant all while ignoring the fact that your City is still propped up by industry.

[martin14]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

My cousin left in disgust, went back to the Lakers.

My dad used to design Lakers in the 80's, in Collingwood, before it all went tits up.

[Jabberwalker]

martin14 martin14:

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

My cousin left in disgust, went back to the Lakers.

My dad used to design Lakers in the 80's, in Collingwood, before it all went tits up.

I sail on the Chi-Cheemaun from time to time. She's living history as the last hull to launch from the Collingwood yard. There was a time when about half of our navy came from Collingwood, Midland and Port Arthur.

Now it's a high-end real estate development WITH NO GAS-ELECTRIC PLANT.

[Jabberwalker]

But they opted to purchased a house adjacent to a car manufacturing plant and a railway. Houses that were built AFTER the plant and railway where in place.


That is incorrect. The railway (Grand Trunk) was when MOST but not all those houses were built but not Ford, There are houses in that neighbourhood that date back to the mid 1830s. There are also a lot of recent in-fills where the houses may be new but the property has had a residence on it for 70, 80 years.

[Xort]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

Good. Build one beside your house. These people didn't want it beside their house and no one asked them.

It shouldn't be their choice to stop all development, as I have been saying that's just NIMBYism.

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

That is incorrect. The railway (Grand Trunk) was when MOST but not all those houses were built but not Ford, There are houses in that neighbourhood that date back to the mid 1830s. There are also a lot of recent in-fills where the houses may be new but the property has had a residence on it for 70, 80 years.

He said buy, the Ford plant has been in place from 1953. I'd like to see the names of the people the bought before 1953 and still live there. If they were 20 when they bought the place they would be 80 years old now.

The gas plant would be a much better neighbor than most of the other industrial operations.

I wish the government could ignore the rich when they cry over nothing.

[Jabberwalker]

He said buy, the Ford plant has been in place from 1953. I'd like to see the names of the people the bought before 1953 and still live there. If they were 20 when they bought the place they would be 80 years old now.


I actually know a whole church full of them ... although they are dying off fast.

You are working very hard on this. Do you really think that the people of Ontario can blame the residences of Oakville for losing a billion dollars? In the case of the Oakville plant, there was nothing on the ground but survey stakes when it was cancelled. Aren't you the least bit suspicious that there is a dirty deal there in light of all of the deleted computer files? Do you think that competent OPG people would get themselves into agreements like that before the public has had it's say? Is that a smart way to conduct billion dollar business?

[Xort]

Jabberwalker Jabberwalker:

You are working very hard on this. Do you really think that the people of Ontario can blame the residences of Oakville for losing a billion dollars?

Not my point, so I'm not going to reply to it.

$1:

Aren't you the least bit suspicious that there is a dirty deal there in light of all of the deleted computer files? Do you think that competent OPG people would get themselves into agreements like that before the public has had it's say? Is that a smart way to conduct billion dollar business?

I don't care about that part of the story.

The only part I care about is the claim that their was no consultation. A fact that you haven't proved to me, and I have reasonable evidence that what you claim isn't what happened.

You can check the Trans-Canada webpage for their time line for the Oakville plant, they say they are in on going consultation with the stakeholders.
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Let me ask you it this way, legally speaking was the deal to build the plant valid? Did the project meet the required legal obligations to be built?

If no, then is that lack of a legal right to build the centre of a case again the parties involved?

If yes, they had the legal right to build, then why would they go and waste their time and money to listen to a bunch of people cry NIMBY?

What it looks like, is a valid legally approved build order than the government canceled in violation of it's contract and in bad faith with the legal approval it granted, at the behest of a bunch of wealthy people.

[Regina]

Ok lets get back on topic.

[OnTheIce]

Regina Regina:

Ok lets get back on topic.

This is on topic. We're having a discussion about the gas plants...it's a clean debate. It's a topic with a wide scope, lots of things to discuss.

What's the problem?

[Regina]

That's fine then. Just seems it's more of a neighborhood argument rather than a discussion about the aide and the allegations made toward him.