[N_Fiddledog]

xerxes xerxes:

This is kind of skill for magic beans trade we're used to in Vancouver.

Hang on a sec on that one.

Don't you think this trade makes Benning's getting ahead of the game to snag Gudbranson a genius of a steal?

Apparently right shot defenceman are pretty valuable in today's market and Erik is a legitimate # 2. Benning snapped him up early for little more than late picks and a prospect.

[bootlegga]

IMHO, it's a good trade for a lot of reasons:

1. The Oilers defence desperately needs help. And as the Subban/Weber trade shows, you've got to give up a whole lot for a top flight defenceman in this league. As good as Hall is, wingers like him are plentiful in the NHL and top defencemen are not. I'd bet the Habs wanted something crazy like Hall and RNH and draft picks for Subban.

2. The Oilers defence is atrocious. The forwards won't play it, the defence can't play it and the goalie constantly gets hung out to dry. The fans here ran Devan Dubnyk out of town for supposedly being a sub par goalie, but the second he went to a team that knows how to play defence (Minnesota), he became a Vezina candidate. So much for the theory that the goalies here suck...

3. Hall, like most of the forwards here, was also a defensive liability - and with this team's poor defence, any opportunity to strengthen it is a positive.

4. Hall's reckless style of play, leads to lots of scoring opportunities, but even more injuries. It may even lead to a shorter career than other elite players, so the Oilers were smart to trade him now while his stock is still high. In a few more years, he might not even fetch this. Anyone remember what happened with Ales Hemsky? The Oilers kept him too long and only got a couple of low draft picks for him when they finally traded him to Ottawa.

5. This trade also creates cap space to sign Demers and/or Lucic tomorrow, which would make the team better too. Without the trade, they might not be able to afford either player and certainly couldn't afford both of them.

6. Larsson may not be a 1/2 defenceman right now, but he has the chance to be one in a few years as he matures. Even if he doesn't become a 1/2 dman, he will plug a hole the Oilers desperately need filled.

The time to evaluate this trade will be in 4 or 5 years. If Larsson craps out or Hall becomes a 80 game/80 point player, then the Oilers lost. But I think as Larsson matures, this trade will even out and may eventually be seen as a win for the team.

The fans in this city are desperate for more playoff glory and they all seem to forget that the road to the Cup is paved with defence. The fact is that the Oliers got to the Finals in 2006 on the backs of defensive stars like Pronger and Peca has been completely forgotten, both by the fans and the previous management. This isn't the run & gun 80s any more and any team that wants to be a contender needs a solid defence as well as offence.

This trade is Chiarelli's attempt to remind people of the old axiom, defence wins championships.

[Alta_redneck]

bootlegga bootlegga:

IMHO, it's a good trade for a lot of reasons:

1. The Oilers defence desperately needs help. And as the Subban/Weber trade shows, you've got to give up a whole lot for a top flight defenceman in this league. As good as Hall is, wingers like him are plentiful in the NHL and top defencemen are not. I'd bet the Habs wanted something crazy like Hall and RNH and draft picks for Subban.

2. The Oilers defence is atrocious. The forwards won't play it, the defence can't play it and the goalie constantly gets hung out to dry. The fans here ran Devan Dubnyk out of town for supposedly being a sub par goalie, but the second he went to a team that knows how to play defence (Minnesota), he became a Vezina candidate. So much for the theory that the goalies here suck...

3. Hall, like most of the forwards here, was also a defensive liability - and with this team's poor defence, any opportunity to strengthen it is a positive.

4. Hall's reckless style of play, leads to lots of scoring opportunities, but even more injuries. It may even lead to a shorter career than other elite players, so the Oilers were smart to trade him now while his stock is still high. In a few more years, he might not even fetch this. Anyone remember what happened with Ales Hemsky? The Oilers kept him too long and only got a couple of low draft picks for him when they finally traded him to Ottawa.

5. This trade also creates cap space to sign Demers and/or Lucic tomorrow, which would make the team better too. Without the trade, they might not be able to afford either player and certainly couldn't afford both of them.

6. Larsson may not be a 1/2 defenceman right now, but he has the chance to be one in a few years as he matures. Even if he doesn't become a 1/2 dman, he will plug a hole the Oilers desperately need filled.

The time to evaluate this trade will be in 4 or 5 years. If Larsson craps out or Hall becomes a 80 game/80 point player, then the Oilers lost. But I think as Larsson matures, this trade will even out and may eventually be seen as a win for the team.

The fans in this city are desperate for more playoff glory and they all seem to forget that the road to the Cup is paved with defence. The fact is that the Oliers got to the Finals in 2006 on the backs of defensive stars like Pronger and Peca has been completely forgotten, both by the fans and the previous management. This isn't the run & gun 80s any more and any team that wants to be a contender needs a solid defence as well as offence.

This trade is Chiarelli's attempt to remind people of the old axiom, defence wins championships.

I see or hear a lot of comments that Larson isn't a top 2 defenseman, he was in NJ playing against the opposition's number 1 lines, playing 22 minute a game.

[Thanos]

Sounds like Jay Bouwmeester when Calgary got him way back when. Great player, great guy. Flames won fuck all with him on the team though. When the rest of the team just isn't that good or the coaching philosophy isnt working the best goalie or best d-man just doesn't make that much of a difference.

[Alta_redneck]

[Alta_redneck]

Thanos Thanos:

Sounds like Jay Bouwmeester when Calgary got him way back when. Great player, great guy. Flames won fuck all with him on the team though. When the rest of the team just isn't that good or the coaching philosophy isnt working the best goalie or best d-man just doesn't make that much of a difference.

That's why you have to pick up players like Pat Maroon, 12 goals in 72 games split between the Ducks and Oilers. Hook him up with Connor and he gets 8 of those 12 goals in 16 games, after getting picked up by the Oilers.

[OnTheIce]

bootlegga bootlegga:

IMHO, it's a good trade for a lot of reasons:

1. The Oilers defence desperately needs help. And as the Subban/Weber trade shows, you've got to give up a whole lot for a top flight defenceman in this league. As good as Hall is, wingers like him are plentiful in the NHL and top defencemen are not. I'd bet the Habs wanted something crazy like Hall and RNH and draft picks for Subban.

The Oilers gave up a lot for a 3-4 defenceman. Larsson isn't a top tier, 1-2 d-man. Never will be.

bootlegga bootlegga:

3. Hall, like most of the forwards here, was also a defensive liability - and with this team's poor defence, any opportunity to strengthen it is a positive.

He was a -4 on a poor team.

bootlegga bootlegga:

This trade is Chiarelli's attempt to remind people of the old axiom, defence wins championships.

It was a shitty attempt at a reminder. A pencil shaped Sweede is a 3-4 defenceman at best with 1 year of experience isn't going to win championships.

[Alta_redneck]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

3. Hall, like most of the forwards here, was also a defensive liability - and with this team's poor defence, any opportunity to strengthen it is a positive.

He was a -4 on a poor team.

Um, actually +15 on a poor team. Not sure where your getting your info.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8476457

[OnTheIce]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

3. Hall, like most of the forwards here, was also a defensive liability - and with this team's poor defence, any opportunity to strengthen it is a positive.

He was a -4 on a poor team.

Um, actually +15 on a poor team. Not sure where your getting your info.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8476457

Might be cause we're talking about Hall.

Try to keep up.

[OnTheIce]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

I see or hear a lot of comments that Larson isn't a top 2 defenseman, he was in NJ playing against the opposition's number 1 lines, playing 22 minute a game.

On a team with a serious lack of depth, playing as a 1 or 2 doesn't mean you are a 1 or 2.

[bootlegga]

Alta_redneck Alta_redneck:

bootlegga bootlegga:

IMHO, it's a good trade for a lot of reasons:

1. The Oilers defence desperately needs help. And as the Subban/Weber trade shows, you've got to give up a whole lot for a top flight defenceman in this league. As good as Hall is, wingers like him are plentiful in the NHL and top defencemen are not. I'd bet the Habs wanted something crazy like Hall and RNH and draft picks for Subban.

2. The Oilers defence is atrocious. The forwards won't play it, the defence can't play it and the goalie constantly gets hung out to dry. The fans here ran Devan Dubnyk out of town for supposedly being a sub par goalie, but the second he went to a team that knows how to play defence (Minnesota), he became a Vezina candidate. So much for the theory that the goalies here suck...

3. Hall, like most of the forwards here, was also a defensive liability - and with this team's poor defence, any opportunity to strengthen it is a positive.

4. Hall's reckless style of play, leads to lots of scoring opportunities, but even more injuries. It may even lead to a shorter career than other elite players, so the Oilers were smart to trade him now while his stock is still high. In a few more years, he might not even fetch this. Anyone remember what happened with Ales Hemsky? The Oilers kept him too long and only got a couple of low draft picks for him when they finally traded him to Ottawa.

5. This trade also creates cap space to sign Demers and/or Lucic tomorrow, which would make the team better too. Without the trade, they might not be able to afford either player and certainly couldn't afford both of them.

6. Larsson may not be a 1/2 defenceman right now, but he has the chance to be one in a few years as he matures. Even if he doesn't become a 1/2 dman, he will plug a hole the Oilers desperately need filled.

The time to evaluate this trade will be in 4 or 5 years. If Larsson craps out or Hall becomes a 80 game/80 point player, then the Oilers lost. But I think as Larsson matures, this trade will even out and may eventually be seen as a win for the team.

The fans in this city are desperate for more playoff glory and they all seem to forget that the road to the Cup is paved with defence. The fact is that the Oliers got to the Finals in 2006 on the backs of defensive stars like Pronger and Peca has been completely forgotten, both by the fans and the previous management. This isn't the run & gun 80s any more and any team that wants to be a contender needs a solid defence as well as offence.

This trade is Chiarelli's attempt to remind people of the old axiom, defence wins championships.

I see or hear a lot of comments that Larson isn't a top 2 defenseman, he was in NJ playing against the opposition's number 1 lines, playing 22 minute a game.

Even better then!

[bootlegga]

OnTheIce OnTheIce:

bootlegga bootlegga:

IMHO, it's a good trade for a lot of reasons:

1. The Oilers defence desperately needs help. And as the Subban/Weber trade shows, you've got to give up a whole lot for a top flight defenceman in this league. As good as Hall is, wingers like him are plentiful in the NHL and top defencemen are not. I'd bet the Habs wanted something crazy like Hall and RNH and draft picks for Subban.

The Oilers gave up a lot for a 3-4 defenceman. Larsson isn't a top tier, 1-2 d-man. Never will be.

bootlegga bootlegga:

3. Hall, like most of the forwards here, was also a defensive liability - and with this team's poor defence, any opportunity to strengthen it is a positive.

He was a -4 on a poor team.

bootlegga bootlegga:

This trade is Chiarelli's attempt to remind people of the old axiom, defence wins championships.

It was a shitty attempt at a reminder. A pencil shaped Sweede is a 3-4 defenceman at best with 1 year of experience isn't going to win championships.

Well if you can only find fault with two out of my six reasons, then it was a good trade.