[EyeBrock]

Their nomadic range was from Quebec to Labrador.

3000 people don't own Quebec and Labrador.

[andyt]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Their nomadic range was from Quebec to Labrador.

3000 people don't own Quebec and Labrador.

It wasn't all of Quebec and Labrador, that's for sure. They "owned" it pre contact. I'm not sure how you establish ownership based on population. By that measure Canada would have to allow say China to occupy everything north of 200km of the 49th parallel, since they could flood that area with way more people than we have up there.

But it's hard for 3000 neolithic people to keep territory when pre-industrial people in large numbers want to take your land. The natives did it to each other too. The barrenland Inuit were up there because they got their asses kicked by everybody else who was living in better territories. That's the way it is, time to move on. Of course if a more powerful people do the same to us, we can't really squawk either. But then we have the Americans to protect us, so we're safe.

[Mustang1]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Their nomadic range was from Quebec to Labrador.

3000 people don't own Quebec and Labrador.

Agreed. And there's evidence to suggest they wandered every part of Canada? And to suggest because some group/culture/tribe happened to travel through some region once, they now "own" that land in perpetuation is patently ridiculous.

[andyt]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Their nomadic range was from Quebec to Labrador.

3000 people don't own Quebec and Labrador.

Agreed. And there's evidence to suggest they wandered every part of Canada? And to suggest because some group/culture/tribe happened to travel through some region once, they now "own" that land in perpetuation is patently ridiculous.

Who's claiming they wandered every part of Canada? If they tried it, they would have had their assess kicked by the natives living there.

And they weren't tourists on a trip. They would have wandered over the same territory year after year following food sources. If they had a large traditional territory for very few people, it's probably because the land was not very productive for food sources.

[EyeBrock]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Their nomadic range was from Quebec to Labrador.

3000 people don't own Quebec and Labrador.

Agreed. And there's evidence to suggest they wandered every part of Canada? And to suggest because some group/culture/tribe happened to travel through some region once, they now "own" that land in perpetuation is patently ridiculous.

This is a key point in a lot of these treaty-less land claims. The Innu followed the Caribou. They can't claim everywhere the Caribou ever wandered or crapped on.

As I've said numerous times in reference to the Mohawks, they were given land grants like all the other UEL's and like their white cousins they sold the land. Now they want it back?

Those First Nations with treaties, those treaties should be honoured.

Those with baseless claims like the Mohawks and Innu should be fucked off and made to obey the laws of Canada like everybody else has to.

[NewfieBullet]

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Perhaps they should of responded with lead throwing devices.

A few cops and crap load of angry rock throwing natives in an isolated community, it would be like kicking a bear in the nuts.

Not much choice on the cops part. Get the fuck out !!!

How to deal with it ?? Has this not been going on for hundreds of years.

I work with, and have many native friends that I respect all over Canada but what was demonstrated here plain out disgraced the officers and I would lock the works of em up for a long time.

Leave them alone and they will ultimately kill and or abuse the non violent in the community.

No win situation here in my opinion !!

[Mustang1]

andyt andyt:

And they weren't tourists on a trip. They would have wandered over the same territory year after year following food sources. If they had a large traditional territory for very few people, it's probably because the land was not very productive for food sources.

Actually, that would depend on the group. Some were pastoralists, some big-game hunters, some were nomadic, and some had major city-centres. The historical reality is that huge tracts of this landmass had little to no human contact, but Native apologists would have you believe that pre-contact groups were some homogeneous, unified group with a shared economy, culture and a respect for nature. It's just not the case.

[andyt]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

andyt andyt:

And they weren't tourists on a trip. They would have wandered over the same territory year after year following food sources. If they had a large traditional territory for very few people, it's probably because the land was not very productive for food sources.

Actually, that would depend on the group. Some were pastoralists, some big-game hunters, some were nomadic, and some had major city-centres. The historical reality is that huge tracts of this landmass had little to no human contact, but Native apologists would have you believe that pre-contact groups were some homogeneous, unified group with a shared economy, culture and a respect for nature. It's just not the case.

I doubt if these Innu were anything but hunter-gatherers. Don't really hear much about pastorialism with Indians, except maybe the Navaho, and I wonder if their sheep were imported by the white man. Certainly no Reindeer herders in Canada that I've heard about. As Brock said, these particular people followed the Cariboo, and the Cariboo weren't taking tourist trips either, but moving back and forth between their summer and winter ranges.

[Benn]

Follow up article, the Bands side of the story, sort of..

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Band+rejects+account+attack+station/3378849/story.html

[EyeBrock]

Caribou tracks are no basis for a land claim.

My ancestors who came here in the 17th century and followed the Beaver.

Can the English and Scottish now claim every river with Beavers in it or with historical Beaver populations or is the ridiculous only acceptable when it's applied to First Nation's land claims?

[Benn]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Caribou tracks are no basis for a land claim.

My ancestors who came here in the 17th century and followed the Beaver.

Can the English and Scottish now claim every river with Beavers in it or with historical Beaver populations or is the ridiculous only acceptable when it's applied to First Nation's land claims?

*Stifles obvious joke about Scots and Brits chasing beaver and claiming it*

[EyeBrock]

Gotta like a bit of beaver!

[Regina]

I've carried on that tradition of my Scottish ancestors and continue to follow the beaver.........especially after a few glasses of wine.

[andyt]

Benn Benn:

Follow up article, the Bands side of the story, sort of..

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Band+rejects+account+attack+station/3378849/story.html

$1:

But Strang, the Pikangikum chief, said Monday the northern First Nation may decide in the future to establish its own stand-alone police force.

Shoulda been done long ago. Why are we sending Canadian cops to patrol a foreign nation?

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

I lived in a basement apartment in Fort Mac for a while. Got woken up by some drunk person of aboriginal decent pounding on my ground floor windows chanting 'let me in I forgot my keys' more than once.

In much of the USA that's going to get you a night in jail. In some parts of the USA it'll get you an all-expense paid trip to the cemetary.