[Yank-in-NY]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

The unelected minions of Brussels have ordered French farmers to stop making cheese - even for personal consumption. The French government is actually enforcing this under the auspices of the EU.

The NAU just our version of the EU and we will lose power to it just the same way we did under NAFTA.

The EU flag is supplanting the national flags in Europe in much the same way that the EU is becoming a Federal European government. They even want to have an EU Navy, EU Army, and an EU Air Force.

And even thought the French and the Danes voted down the EU Constitution their governments are going ahead with integration as if they had approved it.

Our will means nothing to these people.

Like I said, I see no problem with economic blocs. And you have to realize we are talking about Europe, of the countries that have a Constitution, most them do not come close to the checks and balances within ours, to prevent something like this happening.

I would have no problem a Canadian coming to New York to get a job, why would I? Immigrants arrive here every single day looking for work and I would be annoyed at our neighbors to the North coming for work? If they get a job that means their was a vacancy and they obtained the job on merit.

And the EU flag is not supplanting any other flag, I have been all over Europe and lived there for years and saw nothing of the sort.

There biggest problem is France, Belgium and Germany, Germany less so.

Why does everybody fear economic freedom? Is it because big corporations make big money? So?

Canadian leftists freak out because they think their "universal health care" will be eliminated. BREAKING NEWS, almost ALL countries in Europe have a parallel American and "socialist" type health care, and theirs is TRULY universal. And guess what, we have one here in the US also. Duh!

I don't want to have anything to do with the Canadian Constitution or there form of government, that's their business. But I don't see any harm a Canadian seeking work in the US and vice versa. Hell it happens all the time anyway, are we hiding behind our fingers?

[BartSimpson]

Yank,
The NAU would be a new country. Mexico, Canada, and the USA would no longer exist.

Just the same as had the French and Danes approved the EU Constitution there would no longer be any countries called "France" or "Denmark". They'd just be regions of the new, Federal Republic of Europe.

If the NAU ever becomes a reality I will take up arms to restore the nation I love.

Period.

[Mr_Canada old]

I drew this in like, 4 minutes...

[mike-db]

blashphemy!

BTW arctic, any high profile targets you'd want me to hit here in BC?

[DrCaleb]

Yank-in-NY Yank-in-NY:

Sorry but I don't take anything seriously from that site. What they saw as deep integration could have been a meeting about condoms.

Yea, I know many people want to close their eyes, cover their ears as shout 'La La La'.

Luckily, there are others who take their soverenty seroiusly. As you stated a while back, the US treaty clause does not recognize any treaty that doesn not have the US Constitution as prime law. So, by that a North American treaty would nullify the Canadian and Mexiacn constitutions, and all the laws of those countries based upon them.

I am proud to say, we seem to have awoke the sleeping bear. Let's hope he doesn't go back to sleep.

http://www.banffcragandcanyon.com/story.php?id=255375

http://tinyurl.com/h788f

Judging by the guest list, (former CIA Chiefs, International Finance, and Nonviolent conflict experts (??) ) I doubt they were discussing safe sex. More likely how they are going to get us to grab our ankles.

Don't get me wrong, internation trade is a boon. But judging how NAFTA has been so kind to Canada and how the US has lived up to it's commitment on softwood and how quickly Harper gets on his hands and knees in the oval office when we actually WIN a NAFTA judgement - I don't believe for a second that NAFTA 2.0 will be any good for us.

And I really resent that the discussions are going on in secret and behind closed doors.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

And I really resent that the discussions are going on in secret and behind closed doors.

That alone indicates that the people conducting these talks know that what they're doing is wrong.

[USCAdad]

I think I'm with Bart on this one. I can entertain the idea in fantasy land if the US actually went back to it's original constitution and the Provinces wanted to join with the ability to secede if they didn't like it. Otherwise, this is just a power play by forces in the US to embark on low cost Empirialism. As pointed out these people don't really have much of a concern about what citizens think or what consitutions say. After all it's Just a goddam piece of paper.

[Hardy]

Yep, I'm with Bart on this one too. Even if the political side of it has been exaggerated, I would feel just the same. The main result of "free trade" agreements has been to send jobs from better off countries to ones where the standard of living is far lower, and those treaties have also damaged our abilities to make our own political decisions.

When the US doesn't want to buy Canadian asbestos because it's carcinogenic, they have to pay damages. When Mexico doesn't want a US-owned toxic waste dump in their country, they have to pay damages. You can't take economics and say that it is unrelated to politics. Politics is about how we want to live our lives, and economics is a huge part of that. Take away our right to choose about economics, and much of our freedom is gone.

So, whatever the truth is about the political part, I say "F*** the NAU and the horse it rode in on."

[wildrosegirl]

Clogeroo Clogeroo:

$1:

Well its not so much Americans want to join Canada most would have no objection of us joining them. I think that manifest destiny is still in them and many would love to see that American flag flying over Canada.

Time to stock up on kerosene? Damn skippy!