[dino_bobba_renno]

Just one question, are these ridings getting more than what they did prior to the Conservatives forming government?

If not I don’t think it boils down to just a Harper thing. It’s kind of a catch 22, if you pull the funding you will lose votes and hence the election so how do you change it? I know Harper promised changed but changing how much money is directed at Quebec in a couple years is a pretty high bar to set.

The fact that most of this money is being directed at Conservative ridings? Well that can be viewed in a couple of ways. I noticed after the Conservative won the election that I started hearing more “ this is a message from the Government of Canada” ads on local radio, I’ve seen more Government of Canada adverts at local events and have been receiving more mail from the Government (and they're not bills! ). It use to be a pretty rare occasion when you saw anything pertaining to the “Government of Canada” before the Conservatives were elected. To be honest with you it’s a nice change.

[MustangJay]

lily lily:

MustangJay MustangJay:

Before we start slinging barbs at the conservatives, it might do us good to recall a little riding in Quebec named Shawinigan under Jean Chrentien's government!

So your point is that Shawinigan wasn't in fact a scandal... or that since the Libs did it it's ok, and even expected, that the Cons do it too?

No my point was that liberals are often quick to point the finger of judgement in situations involving conservatives (and visa versa) while having a very short memory of their own time in office.

[ridenrain]

I don't think so.
While some may be aware of corruption, most turned a blind eye or profitted themselves. When election promises were betrayed, they said funny little things like "I know what's in the red book, I wrote the thing myself", and the press twittered at how clever they were.

[Wally_Sconce]

lily lily:

mtbr mtbr:

and voting Librano would make a difference

That's the point. Harper campaigned on "change". So why is Quebec - and particularly CPC ridings in Quebec - still getting a disproportionate amount of "handouts"?

Does that imply that no change means that we should default to Liberal broken promises? I don't think that is true, I think it lends toward Liberal self entitlement.

[Wally_Sconce]

lily lily:

Wow.

So this is the Libs fault too.


ok.

Thats not what I meant,Lily.

I meant that the typical "but the CPC is just as bad as the Liberals..." speach doesn't neccesarily justify re-electing the Liberals.

[ridenrain]

The Liberals could not take the time out to clean out the corruption after ADCAM so, unable to remove the stink of corruption, they can only reduce the other parties to their level.
The system sucks and any party that stands on principals and refuses such acts will be the first to lose. The average voter want beer & popcorn before they want ideals.

[Wally_Sconce]

After 100 years, I think its time for the Liberals to disband. And allow a new liberal party to reform the left.

[RUEZ]

Aging_Redneck Aging_Redneck:

After 100 years, I think its time for the Liberals to disband. And allow a new liberal party to reform the left.

Screw em, they are perfect where they are. With an incompetent leader, floundering in the stench of mediocrity.

[ridenrain]

A blogger dug into this and noticed that they make no distinction between the ridings. He also noticed that the press did almost the same article blaming the Libs for this back in 2006.

$1:

So the Conservatives, bastards that they are, are funding their own ridings disproportionately to their percentage of seats held in Quebec. The gist of it again is:

CPC 13.3% seats 22% funding
LPC 17.3% seats 8.5% funding
BQ 68% seats 69% funding

That sure looks like a "disproportionate" amount of funding for the CPC doesn't it? Or, at least it would, if you considered the riding of Roberval-Lac-Saint-Jean to be identical in services and needs to Quebec City, or identical to Louis-Hebert, or identical to Westmount-Ville-Marie. It would be like saying the needs and services of Thunder Bay are identical to Ottawa, which are identical to Windsor. Such a pathetic comparison of funding is entirely taken out of context without observing the requirements for funding in each riding. After all, a Liberal riding could receive less funding, not because of partisanship from the federal government, but because it does not require as much funding due to the various programs there.

For instance, Conservative MP Luc Harvey in Louis-Hebert received far and away the most funding from the Canada Economic Development for Quebec Regions to the tune of $69 million. But the simple fact of the matter is that the riding of Louis-Hebert is a natural candidate for economic development funding because it is Quebec City's industrial and tech epicentre. An $18 million grant was awarded to the National Optics Institute, a non-profit research lab which develops optics technology nationwide. It also granted $15 million for Jean Lesage International Airport for refurbishment in preparation for Quebec City's 400th Anniversary. While I may not agree with the wastefulness of some of these programs, they are commensurate with the programs and organizations being run there, and anybody with a cursory glance at the article should have noticed this.

Of significance, the second most funded riding in Quebec is Bloc MP Christiane Gagnon's Quebec City at $52 million. And coming up in third is Liberal MP Lucienne Robillard in Westmount-Ville-Marie at $27 million. In fact, if you read the article, it admits that "besides Harvey's riding, only two Conservative ridings ranked among the top 20 most well-funded ridings." And yet the headline screams "Tory ridings in Quebec getting more handouts".

Is this a case of irresponsible governance and patronage? Or more a case of lazy journalism?

$1:

Fun money flows more freely in Liberal ridings
Glen McGregor
CanWest News Service
Saturday, January 14, 2006

OTTAWA -- A disproportionate share of federal funding for celebrations of Canada Day and other national holidays was given to organizations in ridings held by Liberal MPs, according to an analysis done by the Ottawa Citizen.

http://unambig.blogspot.com/2008/03/con ... ately.html

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

No no. That was simply a good MP working for his riding but this is unparalelled corruption, the likes of which Canada has never seen before... or that's what they'd have you believe.

That said, I don't like it.

Here we see the points I have been making all along. Your harshest criticism is "I don't like it". Wow. Remain calm and don't get your blood pressure up or anything.

What you fail to realize is that we do indeed recognize when our party does bad but you guys are so busy screaming murder, blaming them for everything under the sun (as this thread has illustrated), and calling for their disbandment that its impossible for you to see us dissapprove of any action the Liberals do becasue the only level of "disapproval" you recognize is for us to state that our party is totally corrupt and only disbandement can rectify it.

Thats why you keep thinking we turn a blind eye to our party when the reality is you do it to yours.

"I don't like it". Yet you won't do anything about it so it won't change will it.

The bottom line is (as Lily has pointed out) that these threads are more about showing your party has done and will do everything you accused the Liberals of, not because they are corrupt people (you are not one bit better then any Canadian MP) but because their is a certain amount of corruption inherent to politics and that corruption cannot be eliminated unless you want to stage a coup and try to institute "your perfect system".

Hence why you never ever focus on the issues, budgets, spending priorities, or anything else.

All you do is blame the Liberals for everything which you feel excuses your party from taking any responsibility whatsoever, a tactic mirrored by most of the other cons and reflected that in a thread illustrating CPC political porking of their ridings the Liberals still get blamed and attacked despite the fact that they aren't the ones doing it.

Blaming the Liberals is like a sickness for you people no different then the nazis blaming the jews for everything or people blaming America for everything.

And after all this you will simply reply like you always do and say that your criticism of the CPC is greater then anything you have ever heard from me about the Liberals completely missing the point that I understand why certain ridings get greater support from the party they elected and that I'm not attacking the CPC for taht but for doing something they screamed and yelled about when others did it.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

No no. That was simply a good MP working for his riding but this is unparalelled corruption, the likes of which Canada has never seen before... or that's what they'd have you believe.

That said, I don't like it.

Here we see the points I have been making all along. Your harshest criticism is "I don't like it". Wow. Remain calm and don't get your blood pressure up or anything.

What you fail to realize is that we do indeed recognize when our party does bac but...

I'm assuming you were going to say bad but then it might of been you're inability to even associate bad things to the Liberal party.
Till you resolve that, you've got little credibility.
"practice what you preach"

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

No no. That was simply a good MP working for his riding but this is unparalelled corruption, the likes of which Canada has never seen before... or that's what they'd have you believe.

That said, I don't like it.

Here we see the points I have been making all along. Your harshest criticism is "I don't like it". Wow. Remain calm and don't get your blood pressure up or anything.

What you fail to realize is that we do indeed recognize when our party does bac but...

I'm assuming you were going to say bad but then it might of been you're inability to even associate bad things to the Liberal party.
Till you resolve that, you've got little credibility.
"practice what you preach"

Far more credibility then you and your con cohorts who even in a thread illustrating CPC spending in its ridings gets blamed on the Liberals.

Its quite evident who doesn't practice what they preach as I gathered from Lilys quote of redneck who is so busy trying to blame this on the Liberals that he can't see his and his parties own hypocracy.

You people are so blinded by your anti-Liberal hatred that you can't see the festering corruption within your own party.

Till you resolve your hypocracy all you will do is blame the Liberals until your own party self-destructs yet again.

[ridenrain]

So it's true that you can't even use the words bad and Liberal in the same sentence.

[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

So it's true that you can't even use the words bad and Liberal in the same sentence.

Typo rectified. Now you are reduced to what you have all along, nothing.

Your party is doing the same political riding porking that you screamed about and all you can do is attack the Liberals.

Typical hypocracy from you and your right-wing fanaticism.

[ryan29]

ridenrain ridenrain:

A blogger dug into this and noticed that they make no distinction between the ridings. He also noticed that the press did almost the same article blaming the Libs for this back in 2006.

$1:

So the Conservatives, bastards that they are, are funding their own ridings disproportionately to their percentage of seats held in Quebec. The gist of it again is:

CPC 13.3% seats 22% funding
LPC 17.3% seats 8.5% funding
BQ 68% seats 69% funding

That sure looks like a "disproportionate" amount of funding for the CPC doesn't it? Or, at least it would, if you considered the riding of Roberval-Lac-Saint-Jean to be identical in services and needs to Quebec City, or identical to Louis-Hebert, or identical to Westmount-Ville-Marie. It would be like saying the needs and services of Thunder Bay are identical to Ottawa, which are identical to Windsor. Such a pathetic comparison of funding is entirely taken out of context without observing the requirements for funding in each riding. After all, a Liberal riding could receive less funding, not because of partisanship from the federal government, but because it does not require as much funding due to the various programs there.

For instance, Conservative MP Luc Harvey in Louis-Hebert received far and away the most funding from the Canada Economic Development for Quebec Regions to the tune of $69 million. But the simple fact of the matter is that the riding of Louis-Hebert is a natural candidate for economic development funding because it is Quebec City's industrial and tech epicentre. An $18 million grant was awarded to the National Optics Institute, a non-profit research lab which develops optics technology nationwide. It also granted $15 million for Jean Lesage International Airport for refurbishment in preparation for Quebec City's 400th Anniversary. While I may not agree with the wastefulness of some of these programs, they are commensurate with the programs and organizations being run there, and anybody with a cursory glance at the article should have noticed this.

Of significance, the second most funded riding in Quebec is Bloc MP Christiane Gagnon's Quebec City at $52 million. And coming up in third is Liberal MP Lucienne Robillard in Westmount-Ville-Marie at $27 million. In fact, if you read the article, it admits that "besides Harvey's riding, only two Conservative ridings ranked among the top 20 most well-funded ridings." And yet the headline screams "Tory ridings in Quebec getting more handouts".

Is this a case of irresponsible governance and patronage? Or more a case of lazy journalism?

$1:

Fun money flows more freely in Liberal ridings
Glen McGregor
CanWest News Service
Saturday, January 14, 2006

OTTAWA -- A disproportionate share of federal funding for celebrations of Canada Day and other national holidays was given to organizations in ridings held by Liberal MPs, according to an analysis done by the Ottawa Citizen.

http://unambig.blogspot.com/2008/03/con ... ately.html

well those numbers might look bad , they are forgeting a few things , first the 12 or so liberal ridings in quebec are all small urban ridings in montreal , so it shouldn't be a surprise they did not get as much funding as struggling forestry towns or other areas like that. usually government assistance goes to struggling areas and not big successful cities. that needs to be remember when we look at those numbers .
know its the same in ontario , northern ontario even has its own federal government fund , called Fed Nor . that areas qualifies for alot of government funding that cities in southern ontario do not qualify for. it doesn't get this money because of how it votes but because its a struggling area economically .