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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:43 am
 


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All that matters is: Did his choice of behaviour leave him better off or worse off than if he had just left quietly? The answer is worse off, and there was no chance of it ending any other way.

Ergo, he was stupid. Now he's got more problems than just missing his flight. Throwing a pointless temper tantrum and losing all self control to make your situation worse isn't a display of bravery or strength or dignity, it is the exact opposite of those things.


He was asserting his rights. Some of us are willing to die to assert our rights as opposed to kowtowing to a bunch of fucking bastards who deserve to be shot.


Actually, United took their property rights to the ultimate limit. Their plane, their property, and according to an absolutist interpretation of property rights they have the power to enforce rules, change rules, provide service, deny service, and associate with whom they want to within the confines of their own property. And they can do this in any manner they see fit, including by using physical abuse.

Don't laugh, and this isn't me rattling your chain either. This is the argument I've seen several times already that claim United, and any other corporation that chooses to behave this way towards paying customers and even to their own staff, is within their legal rights. This is why United is being so arrogant about the incident, because their team of high-priced lawyers is telling them they don't have anything to worry about. They're the big guys with the money and that means they're probably going to win.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:13 am
 


If the old fellow had a Pepsi he could have avoided this.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:16 am
 


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If the old fellow had a Pepsi he could have avoided this.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:22 am
 


I think we have a new dictionary word. To 'Re-Accomodate' is to beat a guy bloody, then drag his limp body from the aircraft.


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I'm not a lawyer, but I do enjoy Judge Judy admonishing the lumpenproletariat. Does not the act of booking and paying for a flight imply some sort of contract? I don't understand how the airline can send three people to physically remove you from your seat if you've paid your two bits to see the high diving act.

Once I went with a bunch of friends to see Natalie McMaster, a friend of mine was quick off the mark and got us a front row table, bought and paid for. When we got there, it was filled and they parked us in the back where we could not even see the stage. We kept ordering drinks and fuming, and when McMaster hit the stage and the sound even sucked, I demanded to see the manager. He finally came over to our table and I explained our situation, he tried to blow us off leaning over our table. I grabbed him by his skinny yellow tie, jerked his head toward the stage, and said, "I paid to see Natalie McMaster, can you see Natalie McMaster?" He agreed he could not, gave us our money back, and we didn't pay anything for the drinks. Granted, this wasn't on an airplane, but sometimes you just have to call bullshit on them.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:51 am
 


United's shares are taking the beating today


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United's shares are taking the beating today

If anyone is held responsible it won't be executives in the boardroom where these ideas originated but it will be low pay minions at the airport!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:30 am
 


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United's shares are taking the beating today


It's a slide but hardly a beating. I imagine most investors are thinking that the news cycle will eventually move on.

But for the fact that United is now waging a media assault against the guy they beat up I'd agree.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/11/news/un ... -disaster/

Behind the scenes someone ran a rapid-fire background investigation on the passenger and released his personal information to the media in order to paint him as unsympathetic. That's already backfired on the web as not a lot of people believe the information just miraculously 'surfaced'. It's clearly a smear job that's meant to distract from the passenger being assaulted and most people are saying that the passenger's past has nothing to do with the actions of United.


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prairiechickin prairiechickin:
I'm not a lawyer, but I do enjoy Judge Judy admonishing the lumpenproletariat. Does not the act of booking and paying for a flight imply some sort of contract? I don't understand how the airline can send three people to physically remove you from your seat if you've paid your two bits to see the high diving act.


Good article here on the nature of the airline industry. As with the banking sector, amalgamation and reduction of competition has created a near-monopoly situation where you have zero rights because ALL of them are in a postition to treat you like crap if they want to. You giving them your money means absolutely nothing at all to benefit you.

http://fusion.net/airlines-can-treat-yo ... 1794192270

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There is actually a pretty simple answer. Why is an armed agent of the state using violence to enforce a contract freely entered into by two private parties? Because that is more or less how you define “classical liberalism.” You may have thought that buying a ticket and boarding a plane and even sitting in your assigned seat meant you had some “right” to “fly on the plane.” Legally and contractually, you do not. (Welcome, Tweeps, to your first reckoning with the inherent contradictions in the philosophical underpinnings of laissez-faire capitalism and its conception of “coercion.”)

Of course, this isn’t how capitalism is supposed to work. This isn’t how it’s sold to us. Goons dragging bloodied passengers off of airplanes shouldn’t happen in a world where people “vote with their wallets” and corporations compete with one another to attract consumers. This is the disconnect that has puzzled so many. The first hint to the answer comes in noting that this was not an isolated incident, and that this sort of corporate mistreatment of paying customers is not limited to United.

Why do these airlines sound so unapologetic on social media? Why aren’t the CEOs apologizing? Why does no one sound contrite? This isn’t how the outrage cycle is supposed to work!

When everyone gets mad at Pepsi, Pepsi has to apologize because it is very easy to not drink Pepsi. One must affirmatively choose to drink Pepsi; not drinking Pepsi is the default option. (Though, thanks to consolidation, it’s much harder to avoid Pepsico products entirely than you might think.)

The major American airlines, though, do not need to do anything to convince people to fly with them, because they all merged and consolidated until there were just four firms controlling the vast majority of domestic flights, and they have determined that it is in their collective best interest not to seriously compete with one another.

There used to be competition, which seemed—just like we were taught in high school economics—to bring lower fares and more routes to more destinations, but the airlines weren’t making enough money, so they consolidated into a few huge carriers, reduced service to medium-sized airports, and massively raised the cost of flying through both increased fares and skyrocketing fees.


At this stage human passengers need to realize that they're no different than cargo, and if a piece of cargo gets bashed about and broken by the airline no one in the upper ranks of the company is going to give a damn at all.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:27 am
 


the ceo apologized again. This time in a better way and finally calling the incident horrific


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the ceo apologized again. This time in a better way and finally calling the incident horrific

Too little too late. I am going out on a limb and putting this screw up on the same level as the "new coke" fiasco. When you piss this many people off, apologies do not cut it. Someone in charge has to be sacrificed. Nothing less will be accepted.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:16 am
 


one of the officers has been put on leave til this matter is reviewed. I dont support united. I dont think people will stop using united. If they offer cheaper rates than others then people will go for united. All the people who said they wont go for united, only some would be able to actually stop using their services like they said they would.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:35 am
 



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