[DrCaleb]

herbie herbie:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

Most of the South Africans I run into here are doctors.

No shit, I'm surprised we haven't created a doctor shortage in South Africa.

They don't seem to mind the wide open spaces, whereas UBC can crank out 1,000 doctors and 999 think the other side of Commercial Drive is 'exile in the boonies'...

We actually went and recruited many SA Doctors in the 90's to fill our need in rural areas. It actually got the SA high commissioner to Canada to ask us to stop it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC80740/

[martin14]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Just curious...is anyone proposing that Canada should take in racially oppressed white refugees from South Africa's apartheid state?

I know I will be writing to the White Hut today to agitate for white South Africans to receive refugee status in the USA.

Let's just FYI, doctors aren't refugees.


For Canada, no white refugee allowed.

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/whi ... nformation

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The Endres said they were victims of carjacking in 1995, were assaulted on their farm by four black men who entered their home and robbed them in 2004, had their home burglarized in 2013, their car stolen from outside their house in 2014 and, that same year, three black men tried to steal Sonja’s cell phone while she was working.

Cuz only whitey can be racist.

[N_Fiddledog]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Just curious...is anyone proposing that Canada should take in racially oppressed white refugees from South Africa's apartheid state?

I know I will be writing to the White Hut today to agitate for white South Africans to receive refugee status in the USA.

We do, but the applicants, like many others based on the same reasons, aren't always accepted.

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Country of Alleged Persecution Total finalizations Accepted % accepted Rejected Abandoned

South Africa 19 14 74% 5 0

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-s- ... 0#inCanada


http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/whi ... nformation

I question those stats. The CBC says the Immigration and Refugee stats for 2015 show 19 South African refugee claims with 14 accepted and 5 rejected.

Very well, but even if correct what does that mean? Are they accepting white farmers as refugees, as the statistical sleight of hand might suggest if called upon? That's not what it says.

If we look for specific instances the media wanted to pick on we can only find rejections. One was accepted and years later rejected. Brandon Huntley was accepted but a couple years later rejected:

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/sa-refu ... in-canada/

Doc supplied you a link to the case of the Endres - a white farmer family rejected in 2017.

Here's another:

http://www.rcinet.ca/en/2017/09/20/whit ... in-canada/

Here's another family of white South Africans who sought refugee protection in Canada and were rejected:

http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/whi ... ee-hearing

If there is anything like a similar case where the white person or family was accepted on grounds of fear of racist violence or government discrimination I can't find it.

I doubt it exists. If we let the Leftist Guardian tell us why the Brandon Huntley claim caused an uproar 2007-2009 we can see why we cannot find evidence of claims such as his and the white farmer families being accepted in Canada as refugees.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/ ... lum-seeker

[N_Fiddledog]

Back in 2011 the country of Georgia was claiming some success integrating white South African farmers though.



I wonder how that wound up working out.

[Sunnyways]

There's a fair bit of debate on the frequency of attacks on farmers in RSA and whether it's really worse than the average risk of living there these days.

We saw a large number of South African doctors coming to NL in the Nineties and Noughties that faded in the Teenies. I'm not sure where they are going now. Factors at work may include fewer whites in the med schools over there and our local medical boards here getting stickier on eligibility requirements.

The other thing is that life remains very good for medical specialists in SA on the private side apart from the risk to life itself. As one doctor said to a friend of mine, "I'd rather be killed in my bed than have to make it". We have had little success recruiting established specialists from there in recent years.

[martin14]

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

There's a fair bit of debate on the frequency of attacks on farmers in RSA and whether it's really worse than the average risk of living there these days.

It isn't just getting robbed, the farmers have a long list of getting
brutalized during the attack. Really sickening stuff.

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We saw a large number of South African doctors coming to NL in the Nineties and Noughties that faded in the Teenies. I'm not sure where they are going now. Factors at work may include fewer whites in the med schools over there and our local medical boards here getting stickier on eligibility requirements.

The other thing is that life remains very good for medical specialists in SA on the private side apart from the risk to life itself. As one doctor said to a friend of mine, "I'd rather be killed in my bed than have to make it". We have had little success recruiting established specialists from there in recent years.

Doc gave this, we got asked to stop recruiting.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC80740/

[Sunnyways]

martin14 martin14:

Sunnyways Sunnyways:

There's a fair bit of debate on the frequency of attacks on farmers in RSA and whether it's really worse than the average risk of living there these days.

It isn't just getting robbed, the farmers have a long list of getting
brutalized during the attack. Really sickening stuff.

That's true for everybody who is carjacked over there. Ultraviolence is part of the package for ordinary commuters.

$1:

Doc gave this, we got asked to stop recruiting.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC80740/

That has had no effect here. We'd take them if we could get them. The local grads want to stay in large towns or cities.

[BeaverFever]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Just curious...is anyone proposing that Canada should take in racially oppressed white refugees from South Africa's apartheid state?

I know I will be writing to the White Hut today to agitate for white South Africans to receive refugee status in the USA.

We do, but the applicants, like many others based on the same reasons, aren't always accepted.

$1:

Country of Alleged Persecution Total finalizations Accepted % accepted Rejected Abandoned

South Africa 19 14 74% 5 0

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-s- ... 0#inCanada


http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/whi ... nformation

I think the refugees that have been accepted are for religious/sexual orientation type cases I’m not aware of any refugees successfully claiming white persecution.

[Thanos]

Doubt our government, either under Tories or Liberals, would listen to that kind of claim anyway from white South Africans, even if the immigration jerks were approached by a kilometer-long line-up of women that had been raped or children with machete gouges in their heads. We were far kinder to German refugees after World War Two, a lot of whom had done remarkably worse things than apartheid ever did, than we've been to whites who try to get out of South Africa. We must not have the room or something, given the amount of space and resources that are usually committed these days to adult male Muslims of fighting age, or to the numbers of Hutu mass-murderers from Rwanda (and Balkan mass-murderers from the ex-Yugoslavia) we happily let it back in the 1990's and 00's.

To paraphrase Richard III, when it comes to immigration and refugees the entire motivation of Canadian politicians seems to not go much farther than "a photo-op, a photo-op, my own honour and my country's dignity for a photo-op". Furthermore, to steal from Johnny Rotten, our country's "niceness" is not what it seems.

[Sunnyways]

Thanos Thanos:

Doubt our government, either under Tories or Liberals, would listen to that kind of claim anyway from white South Africans, even if the immigration jerks were approached by a kilometer-long line-up of women that had been raped or children with machete gouges in their heads. We were far kinder to German refugees after World War Two, a lot of whom had done remarkably worse things than apartheid ever did, than we've been to whites who try to get out of South Africa. x

The Germans were instantly our allies after the war in a new conflict so that makes it different for a start. Apartheid was a wicked system in which white people did many bad things and private wealth in South Africa still remains overwhelmingly in the hands of whites (and Indians). Personally, I’d like to see more of them here.

[Thanos]

Wicked - an interesting word. About eighty years ago, thanks to the belief of the time that they were inherently wicked, Canada chose to be the western country that let the least number of Jews in as refugees from the Third Reich, and we all know what happened to them. Next to the residential schools that decision became our greatest national disgrace.

[martin14]

Wolf1412 Wolf1412:

Will disagree, again you read something I lived there. The DA is a Provincial Government in the Western Cape.

Speaking of the DA,


'We are cutting the throat of whiteness': South Africa politician vows to target white mayor as he praises plan to hand land to black people and vows: 'Angry white people can go to hell'

Julius Malema leads South Africa's Economic Freedom Fighters opposition party
Revealed he wanted to remove Nelson Mandela Bay mayor because he is white
He told a packed arena: 'We don't hate white people, we just love black people'
The politician also praised plans to transfer land from white to black owners


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... z5903z4YF8

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A firebrand South African politician has vowed to unseat a white mayor after praising plans to hand land to black people.

Julius Malema, who leads the country's Economic Freedom Fighters opposition party, said he wanted to 'remove' Nelson Mandela Bay mayor Athol Trollip specifically because he 'is a white man'.

He told a packed arena in Johannesburg that 'we are starting with this whiteness. We are cutting the throat of whiteness.'

During the speech Malema said he wanted to unseat the mayor - a member of the Democratic Alliance - and accused the political group of being a racist party that promotes the interests of whites.

'All white people who are voting DA, who are angry with what we are going to do in (Port Elizabeth)... all of you can go to hell, we don't care about you. We don't care about white feelings,' he said to loud applause and cheering.

Mmmm, cutting throats.. tasty stuff.

[Sunnyways]

Thanos Thanos:

Wicked - an interesting word. About eighty years ago, thanks to the belief of the time that they were inherently wicked, Canada chose to be the western country that let the least number of Jews in as refugees from the Third Reich, and we all know what happened to them. Next to the residential schools that decision became our greatest national disgrace.

I certainly wouldn’t absolve our own record either but Apartheid was special. Wicked is not too strong a word to describe it. When it ended, blacks and Indians discovered a whole world of places in their own cities they had been forbidden from seeing.

[BeaverFever]

Thanos Thanos:

Doubt our government, either under Tories or Liberals, would listen to that kind of claim anyway from white South Africans, even if the immigration jerks were approached by a kilometer-long line-up of women that had been raped or children with machete gouges in their heads. We were far kinder to German refugees after World War Two, a lot of whom had done remarkably worse things than apartheid ever did, than we've been to whites who try to get out of South Africa. We must not have the room or something, given the amount of space and resources that are usually committed these days to adult male Muslims of fighting age, or to the numbers of Hutu mass-murderers from Rwanda (and Balkan mass-murderers from the ex-Yugoslavia) we happily let it back in the 1990's and 00's.

To paraphrase Richard III, when it comes to immigration and refugees the entire motivation of Canadian politicians seems to not go much farther than "a photo-op, a photo-op, my own honour and my country's dignity for a photo-op". Furthermore, to steal from Johnny Rotten, our country's "niceness" is not what it seems.

We’ve taken plenty of white refugees from former Yugoslavia, from ALL sides of the conflict

[Thanos]

In a chilling precursor to Canada dropping the ball on allowing Canadian Muslims and mentally-ill white converts to Muslim to travel to Syria & Iraq to join ISIS, back in the 1990's we did an equally crappy job of not stopping a bunch of Serbian & Croatian Canadians from going to Yugoslavia to participate in the slaughter & mass rapes of women and children there too. Maybe not as many as the number of Muslims that went to join ISIS, but the Yugoslav descendants who went back to fight in the extremist ethic-supremacist butchery that happened were just as committed to the annihilation and degradation of their enemies. Add too, apparently, the large number of Sikhs and Tamils as well that end up residing here, even when their bloodlust for mass killing back in the old country is rather poorly disguised.

This is, and remains, Canada's perennial post-WW2 problem with immigration & refugees. We seem to be particularly bad at stopping the sort of foreign psychopaths that somehow end up getting citizenship and particularly good at preventing actual victims from getting sanctuary here. It's not a racial or cultural thing either. It's just another example of how badly Canadian actions fail to meet up to all the high-end rhetoric we pathetically indulge ourselves in.