Avro Avro:
Sure, that's why the cons have come out with a liberal platform.
This may be the one thing we agree on. It's why I won't go over the edge supporting the CPC under Harper, the way some folks have gone over the edge supporting the LPC under Martin.
Avro Avro:
No like what lily said plus a tax credit for transit users, and a reduction in consumption tax which btw is not a con move. Plus lets not froget a bunch of other little tax breaks for other special groups instead of the general public.
Are you saying you believe the Liberals will honour any promise they make to reduce the tax burden? If so, keep in mind their current leader is the man, as Chretien's Minister of Finance, who raised federal taxes 31 times in the first 10 years of the current Liberal continuum. At the same time, he cut (reneged on) over $10 biilion/ year in Health and Education transfers to the Provinces. That shifted the federal debt onto the provinces, which caused your provincial taxes to go up, while Martin was also increasing your federal taxes.
Are you happy that, as a Canadian, your Personal Disposable Income (which is a prety good measure of earning power) has decreased by 17% from 1993 to 2005? That's more than the drop in PDI from 1961 - 1992. Have you gotten personal value out of all of the recent tax increases?
As far as I'm concerned, Harpers tax reductions don't go near to "far enough". One of the central credos of conservatism is, "Small government, low taxes" (which is why Clinton was more of a conservative than Reagan,... or either one of the Bush's for that matter). Maybe if Canadians weren't so overtaxed, dual-income household would be able to afford childcare, and neither party would be making insignificant promises to make childcare affordable.
Avro Avro:
Oh so we are bringing that up eh....okay will the Tories end abortion?
Since a Liberal-dominated Senate killed Mulroney's Bill to end abortion (1988 IIRC), more private-members Bills to end abortion have been introduced by Liberal MP's than from any other party. Harper has gone on record as saying (repeatedly) that a CPC government will not introduce any legislation to end legal abortion, nor would they support any private-member's Bill that would attempt to do so. Has Martin made any such promise? If a woman's right to choose is an important issue to you, why would you vote for the Liberal's (btw, when Martin was running for the leadership of the LPC, he said he would consider anti-abortion legislation if that's what the majority of his party indicated they wanted. Contrast that with what Harper has said)?
Avro Avro:
No, it's CUPE.
Are you aware of how many billions Martin took out of several public-service pension funds, claiming they had accrued surpluses and those surpluses could be transferred to general revenues? As a member of the federal public service you, in effect, have paid more than the 'average' Canadian for Martin's pseudo-balanced budgets. That's a double slap-in-your-face insult, considering one of the first things Chretien's government did was to give MP's a healthy raise and plumper pensions just before they froze public sector (including DND) wages for 5 years.
Pension funds are created under a "social contract", by which the beneficiary pays premiums to receive a future benefit. The fund is to be managed in a way that will responsibly accrue wealth to deliver the best benefit to those intended to receive benefit. How then, can a pension fund have a surplus, when it's accrual of wealth is intended to benefit those who paid in (i.e. decrease their premiums or increase their benefits)?
Avro Avro:
No actually I have been trying to meet him because he stated he ahs never met a liberal he couldn't drop so I have called him on it. Now I have voted for several political parties but in recent years lefty ones so I guess I qualify although I hardly class the Liberals as liberal.
Anyways.....when?......where?
Agreed, posting threat in internet forums is pretty childish.
I once had someone threaten me in one forum (devoted to all things Chevy). I posted a picture of myself (6'2" and 250 lbs), mentioned that I played with 500 lb bombs and 600 lb rocket pods when I wasn't humping 165 lb ammo cans and 200 lb boxes of chaff. I then asked him if he'd like to reconsider his threat. His response: "your masquerading as someone you're not". Several months later, I mentioned that my unit would be TDing to his neck of the woods, and would he like to compare who was masquerading. His response: he stopped posting to that internet bbs.
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