Sunnyways Sunnyways:
Let’s start with some obvious questions. Do we have enough of the following in Canada: testing kits, protective equipment, hospital beds, ventilators, drugs? My local hospital is already overwhelmed with geezers with nowhere to go - I don’t know where we’d put a big surge of critically ill patients. Does that sound familiar in your neck of the woods? This is the sort of situation where federal supervision of the provinces’ health care efforts needs to be much tighter than it usually is. Two former politicians I’d like to see involved somewhere in this national effort - Tony Clement and Jane Philpott.
You don't really want the answers to those questions.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... virus.html'Treating the elderly would be sacrificed if coronavirus overwhelms UK': NHS would prioritise critical care for those most likely to survive rather than most vulnerable patients, senior doctors admit
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by Leigh McManus
Doctors have admitted that the most vulnerable patients could be denied critical care in a severe coronavirus outbreak, as they also warned that the UK is dangerously unequipped to deal with a pandemic.
Under protocol dubbed 'Three Wise Men', senior medics at hospitals would need to decipher which patients to give care such as ventilators and beds to, with a focus on saving those most likely to recover.
The medics spoke to The Independent in the wake of 'dishonest' assurances from the Government that the UK can handle the virus which is rapidly spreading across Europe.
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If you can imagine the real worst-case scenarios where supply is massively outstripped by demand we would have to refuse to admit many people who would normally get ventilated,' one worried doctor said.
They added that Three Wise Men was developed by The Committee on Ethical Aspects of Pandemic Influenza 'to minimise the harm the pandemic causes,' despite disparities in care levels for sufferers.
On the Government's claims that the UK is equipped to deal with a pandemic, the doctor rubbished them, branding the comments 'nonsense'.
Another doctor added: 'If this is like the 2009 flu it's going to be very bad. We're in a worse position than we were then. If it's worse than that we're going to be in deep trouble.'
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What is 'Three Wise Men?'
In preparation for the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic, the committee on Ethical Aspects of Pandemic Influenza (CEAPI) developed an ethical framework in 2007 and this was based on the principle of 'the three wise men'.
This has since been reviewed post 2009, and the conclusions are that the framework remains appropriate to future pandemic management.
According to the guidance, this means that:
Everyone matters
Everyone matters equally – but this does not mean that everyone is treated the same
The interests of each person as the concern of all of us, and society
The harm that might be suffered by every person matters, and so minimising the harm that a pandemic might cause is a central concern
The Framework goes on to describe eight core principles:
Respect
Minimising the harm that a pandemic could cause
Fairness
Working together
Reciprocity
Keeping things in proportion
Flexibility
Good decision making
Ethical considerations are important in determining how to make the fairest use of resources and capacity.
Decisions should be in proportion to the demands of the pandemic and other existing pressures and should be aimed at minimising the overall harm caused by the pandemic.
It should be noted that many people will also face personal dilemmas such as tensions between their personal and professional obligations.
TL:DR Productive taxpayer ? OK we will try.
Old/disabled/nonvotingchild/welfare bum ? Sorry, we did everything we could.
But their are no death panels.
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