[Benoit]

kenmore kenmore:

all provinces need to do it... Canada is being pillaged...

All humans need to develop their humanities.

[fire_i]

Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:

[Long post]

I got to say, though I disagree, and strongly at that, good post overall.

$1:

As we have spoken before Firei, you have the right to your opinion, and it's alright to disagree

The problem is that I'm not capable of shutting up.

$1:

As for the Sugar Shack owner, yes, it was his decision to allow Muslims, but at the same time, it pissed off a lot of locals. My money is on the locals contributing much more to the sugar shack's (as a whole) economy than only a few Muslim families. So it is to the owner's best interest to adhere to the locals.

Err, wasn't the beef of the issue rather that he removed pork from his menu (that or it's the other case, when muslims *demanded* everybody leave so they could pray and the guy accepted)? I admit I'm a bit lost here. Think I'm not understanding this correctly.

kenmore kenmore:

all provinces need to do it... Canada is being pillaged...

Crap where'd my silverware go

[Benoit]

Quebec will not stop immigration only to please racists.

[JoBec]

First page of the newspaper this morning.

Quebec to spend 92,5 millions to fight street gangs !

We spend millions and millions to integrate them , educate them , give them a decent life and now we have to spend more money to fight their street gangs ! Montreal gangs spreading all over Quebec.

I guess some of that money will be spent on a “ Quebec survival guide” : what color your kids should wear in Ste-Foy or Charlesbourg ? How to say “ don’t hurt me “ in 20 languages ?

92,5 millions : one-way tickets to Port-au-prince and Kingston . That’s how we should spend that money.

Man , what’s happening to my Quebec ? Our Government should start to realize that we , the citizens of Quebec outside of Montreal , have enough of that immigration sh* . Fix the problem or we’ll show you the exit.

Dumont !! Mario Dumont ! I’m talking to you buddy ! Do you have balls or are you just another coward with no political courage ? Propose a 5 year ban on immigration and you’ll win every riding in Quebec except some a few in Montreal.

JoBec , a scared father .

[fire_i]

1) Again, most band members are not even immigrants to begin with.
2) $92.5M is not for bands alone, but also to prevent drug traffic and internet crimes, among others.
3) Well, maybe you'd prefer we not spend any money at all and let the gangs spread... or that we stop supporting immigrants entirely, so even more end up bolstering the ranks of street gangs... just saying.

$1:

Our Government should start to realize that we , the citizens of Quebec outside of Montreal , have enough of that immigration sh*

!

Dude.

Dude.

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Dude.

You live outside Montreal. You spend post over post saying just how dangerous it got, and how terrible life there is, and how gangster bands are all over the places and immigrants are dangerous, and you don't even live there? And considering the repartition of immigrants in Quebec, what are the chances you live among immigrants at all? Slim to none! Correct me if I'm wrong about that but otherwise...

...

You just want to take away people's rights without even being concerned! This is pure madness, man. Madness, nothing else.

$1:

Dumont !! Mario Dumont ! I’m talking to you buddy ! Do you have balls or are you just another coward with no political courage ?

*Snickers* give a it a thought.

$1:

Propose a 5 year ban on immigration and you’ll win every riding in Quebec except some a few in Montreal.

Hm. $50 that if he does that he falls below 15% of the popular vote and ends up with 10 ridings or less.

$1:

JoBec , a scared father

And you demand of Mario Dumont to have balls...

[Benoit]

JoBec JoBec:

First page of the newspaper this morning.

Quebec to spend 92,5 millions to fight street gangs !

We spend millions and millions to integrate them , educate them , give them a decent life and now we have to spend more money to fight their street gangs !

With (racial) prejudices, you get what you sow. Discrimination is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[JoBec]

fire_i

I don’t know where you take your info but street gangs members are immigrants from Haiti,Jamaica,and Latin America mostly.

A few years ago , a street gang called “the wolfpack “ settled in Quebec city and started to operate a juvenile prostitution network. It caused an unbelievable commotion all over the city . May be something common in cities like Montreal and Toronto but certainly not Quebec city. Police prohibited gathering of more than 4-5 youth ( read Blacks ) in public places and people were horrified by the fact that a gang of Bob Marley look-alikes could come in our peaceful and quiet city and start chasing our daughters. Fortunately, they were arrested , some sent to prison the others sent back to Haiti. This episode left a mark on our city and nobody wants it to happen again. We want our city to be safe and it’s certainly not by encouraging more immigrants to come here that we’ll preserve our excellent quality of live. No Verdun in Quebec city please. It’s too late for Montreal . In a few years it will have become an unlivable city like Kinshasa, Lagos and Johannesburg. So we must prevent our peaceful cities from becoming hell holes like Montreal.

We want safety for our families that’s all . Is that legitimate ?

Some things must be changed concerning immigration . Something closer to the German model ( citizenship a lot harder to get ). The immigrants should be charged $500 when they arrive here. You put the money in a Fund ; so that's roughly 25 millions per year. You use that money to cover expenses directly related to immigrants. ( police overtime , help for crime victims etc etc )

bye, Jobec

[Benoit]

JoBec JoBec:

fire_i

I don’t know where you take your info but street gangs members are immigrants from Haiti,Jamaica,and Latin America mostly.

A few years ago , a street gang called “the wolfpack “ settled in Quebec city and started to operate a juvenile prostitution network. It caused an unbelievable commotion all over the city . May be something common in cities like Montreal and Toronto but certainly not Quebec city. Police prohibited gathering of more than 4-5 youth ( read Blacks ) in public places and people were horrified by the fact that a gang of Bob Marley look-alikes could come in our peaceful and quiet city and start chasing our daughters. Fortunately, they were arrested , some sent to prison the others sent back to Haiti. This episode left a mark on our city and nobody wants it to happen again. We want our city to be safe and it’s certainly not by encouraging more immigrants to come here that we’ll preserve our excellent quality of live. No Verdun in Quebec city please. It’s too late for Montreal . In a few years it will have become an unlivable city like Kinshasa, Lagos and Johannesburg. So we must prevent our peaceful cities from becoming hell holes like Montreal.

We want safety for our families that’s all . Is that legitimate ?

Some things must be changed concerning immigration . Something closer to the German model ( citizenship a lot harder to get ). The immigrants should be charged $500 when they arrive here. You put the money in a Fund ; so that's roughly 25 millions per year. You use that money to cover expenses directly related to immigrants. ( police overtime , help for crime victims etc etc )

bye, Jobec

To deal with gangs, Quebec will implement anti-gang measures, not anti-immigration measures. Quebec cannot send Hell's Angels back in Hell.

[Durandal]

fire_i fire_i:

1) Again, most band members are not even immigrants to begin with.

Ah crap. I. Don't. Care.

With our suicidal birth rate we won't make it to 2100 if we continue like that, we are gonna die as a people ! And mass immigration will only fasten the disintegration of our nation...

A-t-on survécu pendant 400 ans pour se laisser mourir bêtement comme ca

[Pimpbrewski]

JoBec JoBec:

A few years ago , a street gang called “the wolfpack “ settled in Quebec city and started to operate a juvenile prostitution network. It caused an unbelievable commotion all over the city .

Quebec City has a low immigrants population. That is probably why it is recognized as having a low or no crime rate.

The thing that pisses me off about all this. That if we, Quebecers and Canadians, dare to question these issues, we are considered racists. We are not racists but please understand that it's our own fucking place here. We have the right to speak up about certain issues. Also, you don't see Canadians imposing or enforcing their own values in other countries, so why are they allowed to do it here !!! Only asking

WolfPack, that bunch of (bleep). They should have sent every single one of those MFs back to Haiti. That whole ``Prostitution Juvenile'' was a very publicized story in Quebec City and the surroundings. And Choix Radio X (Awesome radio station in Quebec City) sure had a lot of fun with that . The ex-fellow Jeff Fillion was the man, as are the current morning crew. They rock.

fire_i fire_i:

Pimpbrewski Pimpbrewski:

[Long post]

I got to say, though I disagree, and strongly at that, good post overall.

$1:

As we have spoken before Firei, you have the right to your opinion, and it's alright to disagree

The problem is that I'm not capable of shutting up.

$1:

As for the Sugar Shack owner, yes, it was his decision to allow Muslims, but at the same time, it pissed off a lot of locals. My money is on the locals contributing much more to the sugar shack's (as a whole) economy than only a few Muslim families. So it is to the owner's best interest to adhere to the locals.

Err, wasn't the beef of the issue rather that he removed pork from his menu (that or it's the other case, when muslims *demanded* everybody leave so they could pray and the guy accepted)? I admit I'm a bit lost here. Think I'm not understanding this correctly.

Honestly, I could care less what they eat. As long as they don't impose it on everyone else.

Referring instead to the fact that they requested to have the locals out of the establishment so they could proceed with their rituals. What is the most upsetting here, is that the Sugar Shack events in the Spring is a Quebecer tradition. The fact that immigrants show up and dare to impose, talk about audacity!!! I have said this several times in previous threads..... They don't like our values, no problem, get on a plane back to your own country, I will even pay for it. Also, would like to add, not against all immigrants, only the stupid ones

[Benoit]

Durandal Durandal:

And mass immigration will only fasten the disintegration of our nation...

Immigration will strengthen our nation like external threat brings internal disciple.

[fire_i]

$1:

I don’t know where you take your info but street gangs members are immigrants from Haiti,Jamaica,and Latin America mostly.

I don't think there are official statistics on that. I searched a bit, found nothing. Mostly basing off one thing : the reports I get from the media. Sadly can't rely on much else, and most of the time, it seems the criminals are actually "pure laines", though I'll agree immigrants are disproportionately represented, notably among the most 'serious' gangs (possibly because these require international connections? Just a hypothesis).

$1:

A few years ago , a street gang called “the wolfpack “ settled in Quebec city and started to operate a juvenile prostitution network. It caused an unbelievable commotion all over the city . May be something common in cities like Montreal and Toronto but certainly not Quebec city. Police prohibited gathering of more than 4-5 youth ( read Blacks ) in public places and people were horrified by the fact that a gang of Bob Marley look-alikes could come in our peaceful and quiet city and start chasing our daughters. Fortunately, they were arrested , some sent to prison the others sent back to Haiti. This episode left a mark on our city and nobody wants it to happen again. We want our city to be safe and it’s certainly not by encouraging more immigrants to come here that we’ll preserve our excellent quality of live. No Verdun in Quebec city please. It’s too late for Montreal . In a few years it will have become an unlivable city like Kinshasa, Lagos and Johannesburg. So we must prevent our peaceful cities from becoming hell holes like Montreal.

I live in Quebec City, I know about the Wolfpack deal.

I didn't lose sleep over it. The Hell's Angels VS Rock Machines war seemed like a much more serious issue to me (and note that in that case, both bikers bands were mostly made of white francophones...), and we got over it - much like we did for the Wolfpack. It seems to me that in a city the size of QC, these gangs are bound to periodically arrive, but if we keep fighting back, we'll be able to fend them off. At least, for the most part : we can't expect to prevent every underground action they take, but just forcing them to stay hidden away is already a big victory in itself.

$1:

We want safety for our families that’s all . Is that legitimate ?

It sure is, but is it the only thing we want? Is ultimate safety the mean and goal of life, whatever the cost? If so, one has to wonder why we don't live in a fascist millitaristic state already. And that goes without saying attempts to obtain such a society usually meet massive failure and dictatorship...

$1:

Some things must be changed concerning immigration . Something closer to the German model ( citizenship a lot harder to get ). The immigrants should be charged $500 when they arrive here. You put the money in a Fund ; so that's roughly 25 millions per year. You use that money to cover expenses directly related to immigrants. ( police overtime , help for crime victims etc etc )

You mean, like, a $500 "arrival debt"?

Err... well I guess that's an avenue to explore. I'm skeptical about it, but the idea has its merits.

$1:

Ah crap. I. Don't. Care.

With our suicidal birth rate we won't make it to 2100 if we continue like that, we are gonna die as a people ! And mass immigration will only fasten the disintegration of our nation...

A-t-on survécu pendant 400 ans pour se laisser mourir bêtement comme ca

On a des lois pour protéger notre culture. Qu'on s'en serve! Et qu'on les renforce si ça devient nécessaire. Mais si on bannit l'immigration, on va mettre notre économie sur le bûcher et on va être complètement enterrés par la dette dans à peine quelques décennies (ça va déjà assez mal comme ça...). Utilisons les outils à notre disposition avant d'abandonner et d'y aller pour la (suicidaire) solution facile!

$1:

Referring instead to the fact that they requested to have the locals out of the establishment so they could proceed with their rituals. What is the most upsetting here, is that the Sugar Shack events in the Spring is a Quebecer tradition. The fact that immigrants show up and dare to impose, talk about audacity!!! I have said this several times in previous threads..... They don't like our values, no problem, get on a plane back to your own country, I will even pay for it.

Yeah, the demand was ridiculous. But what annoys me is that the sugar shack's owner actually agreed to it then played the victim. That just gets me fuming. I'd personally suggest he gets unbent, grows ball and leave the freaking society alone so he doesn't end up helping to ruin everything because he's a coward.

$1:

Also, would like to add, not against all immigrants, only the stupid ones

Well that sounds about fair.

[kenmore]

immigration cannot be expected to strengthen the nation when the immigrants are protected by multiculturalism that allows the development of multiple sub cultures that dont have to pledge allegiance to the country they live in or learn one of the official languages and get funding to build their own community centres and mosques on tax payers money.. the last time a church in my faith was built we raised the money ourselves... no multicultural piggy bankk for us to draw from... the immigration policy and multicultural policies have to be overhaulded before they haul the country away.... no shit...

[kenmore]

and i stand 100% behind the people of Quebec who have the balls to say enough is enough...

[Benoit]

kenmore kenmore:

immigration cannot be expected to strengthen the nation when the immigrants are protected by multiculturalism that allows the development of multiple sub cultures that dont have to pledge allegiance to the country they live in or learn one of the official languages and get funding to build their own community centres and mosques on tax payers money.. the last time a church in my faith was built we raised the money ourselves... no multicultural piggy bankk for us to draw from... the immigration policy and multicultural policies have to be overhaulded before they haul the country away.... no shit...

Immigrants cannot contribute to their new countries' development unless they have a strong self-respect and immigrants cannot have self-respect without keeping their cultures.