[EyeBrock]

The problem is that the ruling elite in the UK have allowed immigrants to drop-out of the mainstream culture in the guise of some strange kind of 'tolerance'.

Placing no value in citizenship and integration has allowed pockets of fundamentalism to flourish. In turn this has enabled people to actively attack the host culture with apparent impunity. That's just all very wrong and has resulted in a fractured society with real hatred being captilised and encouraged by extremists such as the EDL.

When the majority lose a voice, a minority voice such as the EDL and UKIP, a voice that is neo-facist, is the only one that is heard.

[jeff744]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

The problem is that the ruling elite in the UK have allowed immigrants to drop-out of the mainstream culture in the guise of some strange kind of 'tolerance'.

Placing no value in citizenship and integration has allowed pockets of fundamentalism to flourish. In turn this has enabled people to actively attack the host culture with apparent impunity. That's just all very wrong and has resulted in a fractured society with real hatred being captilised and encouraged by extremists such as the EDL.

When the majority lose a voice, a minority voice such as the EDL and UKIP, a voice that is neo-facist, is the only one that is heard.

Like I have said before, extremists can go, nobody wants them. My problem is that instead of performing surgery to remove the extremists the British government is just using a chainsaw while wearing a blindfold. Moderates will be hit just as hard by this ruling despite the fact that they have done nothing wrong.

[EyeBrock]

What extremists in government?

[EyeBrock]

And you think forcing people to read British history before taking the citizenship test is extreme?

Demanding people respect the country's religion and culture is extreme? Really?

[jeff744]

$1:

The new strategy also promotes the teaching of British history and culture in schools and encourages the flying of flags in public places. In addition, the government says it will work to restore the Christian faith to the center of public life in Britain.

That is the core issue I have, it is a pretty obvious attack on the culture of others, despite the fact that the same article states that the immigrants need to respect the freedom of worship. It is a small leap to connect it to as pretty obvious attack on Muslims, where religion is a central part of their culture. What purpose does promoting the church serve when Britain is already 70% Christian and 15% non religious. Muslim religion makes up a whopping 2.7% of the population, yeah, real threat right there.
(2001 stats)

Edit: Wiki claims in 2007 45% were non-religious, not quite sure how accurate the numbers in their are considering there is a 30% change.

[Psudo]

$1:

In addition, the government says it will work to restore the Christian faith to the center of public life in Britain.

Overall the proposal seems reasonable and often wise, but I think this aspect pushes slightly too far. Between the Muslim subculture and growing secularism in the mainstream, many will see this point as detrimental and divisive to the national identity. I fully encourage Christianity as a free choice and celebration of national traditions that date back to near-universally Christian eras or contain religious symbols (eg, never change the flag!), but this must not go so far as to erode the freedom of religious choice or observance by non-Christians.

[EyeBrock]

jeff744 jeff744:

$1:

The new strategy also promotes the teaching of British history and culture in schools and encourages the flying of flags in public places. In addition, the government says it will work to restore the Christian faith to the center of public life in Britain.

That is the core issue I have, it is a pretty obvious attack on the culture of others, despite the fact that the same article states that the immigrants need to respect the freedom of worship. It is a small leap to connect it to as pretty obvious attack on Muslims, where religion is a central part of their culture. What purpose does promoting the church serve when Britain is already 70% Christian and 15% non religious. Muslim religion makes up a whopping 2.7% of the population, yeah, real threat right there.
(2001 stats)

Edit: Wiki claims in 2007 45% were non-religious, not quite sure how accurate the numbers in their are considering there is a 30% change.

2.7% of the population and 100% of the population who have committed acts of terror in the past 10 years in the UK.

[PimpBrewski123]

Canada has a lesson or two to learn from the immigration situation in Europe.

Some major immigration reforms are in order in this country, but whenever someone even brings it up, they are automatically labeled a racist of some kind.

[desertdude]

I see nothing wrong with

$1:

The new policy will require immigrants seeking admission to live in the United Kingdom to learn English and adhere to "mainstream" British culture and values such as democracy and the rule of law.

Although I think the latter Christianity part might not go down well with secular Britan.

The "report" unfairly highlights and links all related problems to Muslim, but one would not expect any less from a phobic mouth piece like gatesone a tamer version of jihadwatch if you will. Totally ignoring the mingration from the EU specially after the 2004 EU expansion from central and east europeans countries, which make up a sizable chunk of the total immigrants allowed in since then.

Who hasn't heard recently about the Brits complaning about the Polish immigrants with the same hoo haa recently, can't speak English, making more babies to sponge more benfits, creating unemployment etc etc. Although it is a fact that as of 2010 Polish immigrants became the highest birthers

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/vsob1/par ... -2010.html

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

2.7% of the population and 100% of the population who have committed acts of terror in the past 10 years in the UK.

Let me get this right, incase I am reading it wrong. You are saying the all terror attacks in the past 10 years in the UK have beem from that 2.7% of the population.

In that case you would be wrong Sir. And while Islamophobia and discrimination against Muslims is flavour of the month, the tragic events that went down in Norway just goes to show the door swings both ways and with groups like the EDL and BNP who chant the same mantra it would not be out of the realm of possibilty if they went to that extreme.

The largest haul of bomb making chemicals in a home ever made in the UK was in the home of Robert Cottage a former candidate for the BNP and also the next day David jackson another BNP member where more chemicals, hazmat suits etc etc were found. These events hardly got a mention in the news and what ensued was a mockery trial getting off scott free . If a so called Muslim nutter like Anjum Chaudry had just stood around on the corner with a few of his goons spewing his rethoric we could be assured he would make front page headlines on all the dailies.

[BartSimpson]

jeff744 jeff744:

Like I have said before, extremists can go, nobody wants them.

Then why are you against this programme? What's being addressed here are the problems that have contributed to breeding extremism. What's the point of deporting the extremists if you leave in place the conditions that helped to create them in the first place?

[Macguyver]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

2.7% of the population and 100% of the population who have committed acts of terror in the past 10 years in the UK.

Bullshit. Get your facts straight.

Read: Myles Cooper

Also, if you account for all the Acts of Terrorism (what could have been considered terrorism before the word was coined) you'll probably find that in the last 100 years 98% of those acts were carried out by whites.

[PluggyRug]

Macguyver Macguyver:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

2.7% of the population and 100% of the population who have committed acts of terror in the past 10 years in the UK.

Bullshit. Get your facts straight.

Read: Myles Cooper

Also, if you account for all the Acts of Terrorism (what could have been considered terrorism before the word was coined) you'll probably find that in the last 100 years 98% of those acts were carried out by whites.

100 years, boy that's a large strawman. EyeBrock quoted ten years.

Your gee gee's must be starving.

[BartSimpson]

Macguyver Macguyver:

Also, if you account for all the Acts of Terrorism (what could have been considered terrorism before the word was coined) you'll probably find that in the last 100 years 98% of those acts were carried out by whites.

That's absurd. The threat from terrorists prior to 1991 was from deluded and disaffected young Westerners who were being manipulated by the KGB to commit acts of terror against the West.

Given that the KGB is gone and that most young people these days reject communism there's very little threat in terrorism by Europeans. Like it or not, there's been quite a few acts of terror by some other folks in the present day and they're the ones who currently enjoy our collective attention.

[EyeBrock]

Macguyver Macguyver:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

2.7% of the population and 100% of the population who have committed acts of terror in the past 10 years in the UK.

Bullshit. Get your facts straight.

Read: Myles Cooper

Also, if you account for all the Acts of Terrorism (what could have been considered terrorism before the word was coined) you'll probably find that in the last 100 years 98% of those acts were carried out by whites.

Last ten years I wrote.

My facts are straight. Prove your point or move along.

[desertdude]

Myles Cooper's letter bomb terror campaign happened in early 2007 so thats well with in ten yesrs and if we go just a couple of years back to the start of the century there are around eight bombings by the RIRA in 2000 and 2001.