[human]

Godz46 Godz46:

You notice the leftists never want to debate what was posted. All they do is yell "racist!" and try to shut you up.

Good post.

Veiled with humanistic words apologists are tons a penny, and even some of them, you can really enjoy their denial state.

Thank you for your care.

[human]

China China:

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I can say that I have never had a Muslim try to convert me to their religion.

Yet. I trust you understand they will not be arriving at your door dressed in white shirts and ties accompanied by a painfully pretty young girl thrusting magazines in your face and asking what would happen if the entire world repeated the Lord's Prayer three times a day. When they come to convert you it will be reminscent of the middle of the night door knock, and you will convert.

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Do I believe Godz and Third eye are racist? No. Human is another story.

Of course they're not, but anyone who identifies a race as being problematic is subject to cries of 'racism' by the abundant politically correct on this board.

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Human is another story.

See above.

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This is about blatantly attacking a specific culture and lumping all of that culture into a stereotypical facade.

It is about attacking a specific culture who condone (by their silence) the activities of their very own radical element.

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The terrorists and fanatics like Human are the same. The are each so blinded for their hatred of each other, they refuse to see the other sides point of view. Its paranoid delusion. They are so sure that their object of hate has convinced all of the believers of whatever religion believe everything exactly as it is written in whatever book or parchment their faith is inscribed in.

Cheap shots eminating from a delusional point of view. Delusion to you appears to be the concern and fear of others. Does what Human writes deserve to be relegated to the ranks of fanatical? I suspect not, but your pithy comments clearly place you as one who will accept whatever comes along without regard for your own or anyone else's safety and security.

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They forget, that we all have free will.

That's quite a statement considering considering your tirade. Free will means exactly what to a citizen of Zimbabwe or North Korea or Saudi Arabia? It would be interesting to say the least to watch you exercise your free will living under Taliban rule.

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We must extend our hand and show them, that the fanatics and terrorists are wrong.

That should do it, at least once. After you've been bitten by these rabid dogs will you continue to extend your hand until it's gone?

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The conflict between what they have been told and what they experience will undo the damage that has been done to them.

The damage will only be undone when there has been a second and third generation born and bred in western democratic countries. It's their children that will shuck the dogma.

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Hate is a strong emotion.

So is fear.

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Human's post is a blatant attempt to divide us further. An attempt to instill a resentment for an entire culture based on the acts of a few thieves,killers and cowards.

Hardly an attempt to divide and hardly an attempt to instill resentment. In case you haven't been following, these terrorists are quite capable of instilling fear and resentment without the assistance of Human. If the imams throughout the world one day decide to decry the activities of the terrorists bred from their distorted view of their religion the activities may stop unless it becomes a business like any other, which is likely.

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The danger in giving Human's words value, continues that cycle of hate.

The danger of not giving Human's words value is the destruction of your world and way of life.

Thank you for your leadership and care.

[Zenfisher]

I did not label you Human. You did. You consistently harp on the same topic trying to convert people to your theory. I did not attempt to bring Christianity into the debate. I am simply pointing out a characteristic that you seem to neglect. While you may not think this is an important part of your debate...it has always been a significant part of the Muslim, Christian, Jewish mindset.

Nowhere did I say there was a " taboo " subject. You propose you stand for the truth, yet anyone who disagrees with you is labelled "politically correct" , rather than may genuinely be opposed to hate propaganda. People that can see the negative connotations that inciting such fervors bring.

You accuse me of dividing the world...still you have not addressed the burning question. This is your thread.You are pointing the finger. Please tell us what solution are you offering ?

[human]

Zenfisher, are you replying to China or your own quotes?

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The danger of people like Human who perpetually harp on the same subject, under the guise of " I'm just putting this out there for discussion" is the fuel the fires of hate. Those that aren't on the polarized end of opinion are often swayed by their fanatic beliefs. That was how Hitler managed to come to power. He solidifeid his core followers. Those that already believed as he did. As he rose to power he intimidated and played on their patriotism of those in the middle, to following his maniacal plan.

The danger of people like you alone my friend is the same danger people like you who were reluctant to face Hitler then, as much as Sadam and his ilk now and this is the only maniacal plan allowed the monster of disgrace to kill this much people in world war two, and as much as today. SHAME on you.

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This is about blatantly attacking a specific culture and lumping all of that culture into a stereotypical facade.
It is about attacking a specific culture who condone (by their silence) the activities of their very own radical element

Your logic precludes that Canadians (as well as the majority of countries), by staying out of the war on Iraq are condoning the actions of the US. I see no evidence of large political rallies against the US taking part in Canada, at this time. Do I believe Canadians support the war? Of course not.

I see no solution to the problem being put forth by Human. I see only screams " Watch Out! They are out to get us!" being suggeseted in Human's diatribe.

One thing for sure, her logic is not yours, and for you to say that human is the one who’s saying that they are out to get us, while in your dim diatribe of words, cocooned point of view, ill vision, and mirage like perception is not only no one there, but also, if there is, then it is our fault to begin with. At the same time you are so reluctant to read their history to see exactly how all the hatred begin in the first place.

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The terrorists and fanatics like Human are the same. The are each so blinded for their hatred of each other, they refuse to see the other sides point of view. Its paranoid delusion. They are so sure that their object of hate has convinced all of the believers of whatever religion believe everything exactly as it is written in whatever book or parchment their faith is inscribed in.
Cheap shots eminating from a delusional point of view. Delusion to you appears to be the concern and fear of others. Does what Human writes deserve to be relegated to the ranks of fanatical? I suspect not, but your pithy comments clearly place you as one who will accept whatever comes along without regard for your own or anyone else's safety and security.

Safety and security, don't come from locking ourselves into our own little regions and being a prisoner. It comes about when we are free to walk this planet without fear of each other. It arises when we can travel freely to other lands and experience their culture and beliefs and appreciate our differences. When we are so filled with hate and fear that we are prisoners in our own homes, the terrorists will have won.

Well… hey, what I can say here? Isn’t that what we were doing up until they massacred the 3000 unaware civilians about an hour after they arrived to work with civilian air planes full of people from infants to elderly?

I think you short memory is not that healthy; check for Alzheimer symptoms, and on the double before you commit another blunder.

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They forget, that we all have free will.

You might want to read the follwing sentences after this.


I believe that she answered every point in our post including the following sentences after this, didn’t she?

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Human's post is a blatant attempt to divide us further. An attempt to instill a resentment for an entire culture based on the acts of a few thieves,killers and cowards.
Hardly an attempt to divide and hardly an attempt to instill resentment. In case you haven't been following, these terrorists are quite capable of instilling fear and resentment without the assistance of Human. If the imams throughout the world one day decide to decry the activities of the terrorists bred from their distorted view of their religion the activities may stop unless it becomes a business like any other, which is likely.

F-U-R-T-H-E-RWhy should we wait for the Imams to realize the terrorists are wrong. Shouldn't we be proving that by our actions. Shouldn't we be making so evident that we are trying to see their point of view that it couldn't be refuted by anyone, including the terrorists.
An After thought...my way of life,as you put it is being destroyed by the current leader of my country of residence.[/font][/quote]


Which action from us will prove to the Imams who are in most but not all cases the directors of terror, unless you meant the action of submission to their faith.

[human]

Zenfisher Zenfisher:

I did not label you Human. You did. You consistently harp on the same topic trying to convert people to your theory. I did not attempt to bring Christianity into the debate. I am simply pointing out a characteristic that you seem to neglect. While you may not think this is an important part of your debate...it has always been a significant part of the Muslim, Christian, Jewish mindset.

Nowhere did I say there was a " taboo " subject. You propose you stand for the truth, yet anyone who disagrees with you is labelled "politically correct" , rather than may genuinely be opposed to hate propaganda. People that can see the negative connotations that inciting such fervors bring.

You accuse me of dividing the world...still you have not addressed the burning question. This is your thread.You are pointing the finger. Please tell us what solution are you offering ?

Though I never made death calls in contrast and comparison of what they do five times on a daily basis against us, yet you first labeled me with this sentence (The terrorists and fanatics like Human are the same) and then this, (Human's post is a blatant attempt to divide us further. An attempt to instill a resentment for an entire culture based on the acts of a few thieves, killers and cowards. The danger in giving Human's words value, continues that cycle of hate.) and if all this is not labeling my friend, then what is?

Converting people to my theory? Where did you see my theory? And should I post my solution, theory (Which you are asking me for) and conclude the subject before I debate the subject? And what are the grievances of the world against Judaism, Christianity, and all the rest of the non-Moslem religions around the world, and if there is any, how that has to do with the killing in the name of Allah today? Generalizing when it suit people is the only political incitement I see, and sorry to say, by people like you.

So if you don’t have any taboo, why don’t you debate the issue instead of jumping up and down in your words like a yoyo, for God’s sake?

I don’t propose unless I love, and until now I’m still looking; however, I said I STAND for the truth, and that truth is any truth that either I see, know, or be lead to by any person I debate. Moreover, political correctness is not a label, but a state of mind; therefore, and even if I said that, or someone said it to me, I wouldn’t consider it labeling because supposedly it is a good thing to do isn’t it? If you were really and genuinely opposed to hate and its propaganda, you would’ve understood what I am pointing at here instead of taking it negatively, the way you did.

I believe there is a rational solution to this problem, and I believe also to be debated instead of imposed; however, unless the terrorists are subdued and brought under complete control, there is not much room for good intentions here, and I will post my Idea of the solution at the conclusion of this debate.

[Zenfisher]

In the the interest of brevity I lumped the posts all together. As they have already been posted previously I see no need to do otherwise.

I did not flame you Human. Your posts state your beliefs. If you cannot see the racism in your posts, no one will be able to convince you that your point of view is not the "truth" as you see it.

You seem to think this is an exclusive issue. There are many contributing factors and influences that are important to this issue. As with all topics tiny almost insignificant circumstances and events may have important bearing on any topic.

You started this thread, therefore it is your theory or your belief. I know why you are afraid to post your solution to the problem, earlier. I sense what it might be.

I find it interesting that you think that I am taking this negatively.
It is you that are lumping all Muslims in the category as terrorists, either by deed or by association, not me. Discussing the problem with moderates seems a better solution to dealing with the radicals. Taking away the support base for terrorism is the way to eliminate them. Once the support base is gone, they will be too.

[human]

For the interest of facts; denial is a state of mind.

Though my posts sound unconventional in accordance with one set of mind; they don’t represent except what I personally encountered that make me question the human sanity that lead me to what I call study the “facts” and find the truth behind it. My finding is what I speak about in my posts, and up until today, not one response I received was up to the level of refuting those facts, and that what makes it exclusive in any way you want to put it; otherwise, where are your contradicting facts, and truth.

Most people talk to me about the many contributing factors, and the many influences that are important to this issue, but yet, I am still waiting either to see it as an action on the ground, or hear it in the news. And that either by the imaginary Moderate that have no definitive Islamic body except what Islam calls Apostate (Selman Rushdie is an example) or the apologists who bring any similar action done by any other group that is buried in the history books 1000 generation ago to imply that what Islamists are doing and Moderates not doing is already done before, therefore it is permissible in this twenty first century because we say so and we are either Moderate or civilized.

Give me a break.

Until when we are going to cure the sick of hatred of this world with the same conventional ways we cured all our past miseries. Jews, Christian, or any other group that committed atrocities in the past, at least they dropped it.

Which make wonder, isn't it because we cured all our past problems without facing its true ugliness we say History repeat itself? Like if the history of the human race is an entity on his own and the human race is nothing more than toys.

I believe strongly that only unconventional wisdom, and blasting new trails in solving this matter, such as nothing taboo, and let’s talk about that hate head on, will solve today's problem.

Isn't it that the alternative of the UN Aspirin resolutions, and the world's denial that lead us to where we are now?

You tell me.

Can any Moderate gives us a date when the extremist will be stopped, and so is their hate?

Yes, what I am saying is that Hate burst in the seventh century and never stopped since because it was set as a way for living your life as a Moslem with all its physical, and spiritual aspects.

I am throwing this theory, so prove me wrong, and I will be obliged to accommodate your truth instead of mine.

Jack the human

[Laconfir]

Christianity was founded because of a war too.. Of course Christians forget this all too soon. If it wasn't for Constantine the Romans wouldn't have adopted Christianity, and Christians probably would have just been persecuted for several hundred years.

As far as human's posts go.. Well, I don't really care for riddles.. Can you put it in one sentence for me?

[human]

Laconfir Laconfir:

Christianity was founded because of a war too.. Of course Christians forget this all too soon. If it wasn't for Constantine the Romans wouldn't have adopted Christianity, and Christians probably would have just been persecuted for several hundred years.

As far as human's posts go.. Well, I don't really care for riddles.. Can you put it in one sentence for me?

Your riddles suite you, though.