[Constantinople]

IceOwl IceOwl:

I would be ashamed. I don't know what the world needs submarines for anymore anyways.

Because if we didn't have them then there would only be four vessels in Battleship. Would make the game end too soon.

[Tman1]

IceOwl IceOwl:

Tman1 Tman1:

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The muslim world felt disenfranchised and betrayed when the Western Powers forced the Nation of Israel upon them in 1948. They annihilated the nation of Palestine to create Israel because of their own guilt over centuries of anti-semitism.

The nation of Israel was created 1000 years before the prophet Muhammad and the rise of Islam, so I believe that the Jews have a more claim to the land than the Palestinians.

When Mark Twain visited the area, it was virtually uninhabited. The land has changed hands, and people have moved in and out of it so many times since Biblical times that it's difficult for any group of people to lay claim to it.

But, what's done is done, and cities are now well-established in both Palestine and Israel. What they should do is declare a sort of common ground, which belongs to both nations. It is, after all, the true birthplace of both religions, whether either one denies it or not.

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Frankly we deserve whatever happens to us until we own up to our mistakes, apoligize and offer reparations.

I cant believe you just said that? Do innocent people deserve what happend thousands of years ago? Im not a Christian or Moslem or Jew do I deserve to "get" whats coming to me? Think about that.

I think it's more likely that he meant they should kiss and make up for the past 50 years of violence and start co-operating. All they're really fighting over is this chunk of dirt here and that chunk of dirt there anyways.

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Your views seem oddly one sided. How about the innocents killed by Palestinan suicide bombers? How about the concept of "give us what we want or we will give more Suicide bombings"?

No, your view seems to be oddly one sided. You're complaining because he had his victimhood sensitive sunglasses on and represented the argument the way it should be represented - both sides commit atrocities, but only one is made to look especially bad for it because the other has the financial and military backing of a certain powerful western nation.

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When Mark Twain visited the area, it was virtually uninhabited. The land has changed hands, and people have moved in and out of it so many times since Biblical times that it's difficult for any group of people to lay claim to it.

Wasnt aware Mark Twain visited the area and I doubt it was virtually uninhabitied in the 1800s. Regardless of what Mark Twain visited, Semitics where there long before Islam was a religion.

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It is, after all, the true birthplace of both religions, whether either one denies it or not.

No, Jerusalem was not the birthplace of Islam. Its Mecca.

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No, your view seems to be oddly one sided. You're complaining because he had his victimhood sensitive sunglasses on and represented the argument the way it should be represented - both sides commit atrocities, but only one is made to look especially bad for it because the other has the financial and military backing of a certain powerful western nation.

No, my view isnt one sided and if you CARED to read the rest of the posts than I doubt you would say that. Exactly what position are you on this anyways instead of cryptic answers and hide tactics?

[Zipperfish]

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There are many headless people in Iraq who neither hated nor feared the Muslim nutbags. Perhaps they should not have been so openminded or they would not now be so open necked.

Iraq is diferent than Canada. In Canada, my risk of being beheaded by "muslim nutbags" is quite small, therefore I do not fear them. The risk of local "nutbags" obtaining power and sending me or my children halfway around the world to deal with "Muslim nutbags" that pose virtually no threat to me is much greater.

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One Iranian nuclear weapon delivered on US soil is something to worry about no matter how many nukes the USA has to retaliate with.

Yes, it's true. Unfortunately the US is preoccupied by occupying a country that only had a few peashooters, and has allied itsefl with the country that actually sold the nuclear technology to Iran and North Korea.

Still, I imagine Israel will take care of the imams in Iran. I'm sure they're conducting their own risk analysis of the situation and it's my opinion that a few well placed bunker-busters will be a rational and effective response to that analysis.

[truecdneh]

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Still, I imagine Israel will take care of the imams in Iran. I'm sure they're conducting their own risk analysis of the situation and it's my opinion that a few well placed bunker-busters will be a rational and effective response to that analysis.

Now that would definitely throw things for a loop..

[devioustrevor]

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When Mark Twain visited the area, it was virtually uninhabited. The land has changed hands, and people have moved in and out of it so many times since Biblical times that it's difficult for any group of people to lay claim to it.

Wasnt aware Mark Twain visited the area and I doubt it was virtually uninhabitied in the 1800s. Regardless of what Mark Twain visited, Semitics where there long before Islam was a religion.

You're not disproving any points. Jews aren't the only semites. Arabs are also semitic. Congratulations, you just stated (granted it was through your own ignorance) that the Palestinians have as much right to the entire area as Israel.

[Tman1]

devioustrevor devioustrevor:

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When Mark Twain visited the area, it was virtually uninhabited. The land has changed hands, and people have moved in and out of it so many times since Biblical times that it's difficult for any group of people to lay claim to it.

Wasnt aware Mark Twain visited the area and I doubt it was virtually uninhabitied in the 1800s. Regardless of what Mark Twain visited, Semitics where there long before Islam was a religion.

You're not disproving any points. Jews aren't the only semites. Arabs are also semitic. Congratulations, you just stated (granted it was through your own ignorance) that the Palestinians have as much right to the entire area as Israel.

Congradulations on proving your OWN ignorance. All I said was Semetics were there before Islam...Thats it. Are you just trying to redeem yourself after I parried your lame rebuttles? also which you still have yet to address or do you come back with this lame attempt to discredit me?

"Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab." Straight from Muhammads mouth himself.

[Tman1]

IceOwl IceOwl:

Tman1 Tman1:

IceOwl IceOwl:

When Mark Twain visited the area, it was virtually uninhabited. The land has changed hands, and people have moved in and out of it so many times since Biblical times that it's difficult for any group of people to lay claim to it.

Wasnt aware Mark Twain visited the area and I doubt it was virtually uninhabitied in the 1800s. Regardless of what Mark Twain visited, Semitics where there long before Islam was a religion.

Indeed, they were, but that's not the point.

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It is, after all, the true birthplace of both religions, whether either one denies it or not.

No, Jerusalem was not the birthplace of Islam. Its Mecca.

With no Judaism, there would be neither Christianity nor Islam.

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No, your view seems to be oddly one sided. You're complaining because he had his victimhood sensitive sunglasses on and represented the argument the way it should be represented - both sides commit atrocities, but only one is made to look especially bad for it because the other has the financial and military backing of a certain powerful western nation.

No, my view isnt one sided and if you CARED to read the rest of the posts than I doubt you would say that.

I have read them. If there's something I've missed, now would be a good time to point it out.

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Exactly what position are you on this anyways instead of cryptic answers and hide tactics?

What is cryptic about my answers? Which "hide tactics" am I using?

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Indeed, they were, but that's not the point.

Elaborate

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With no Judaism, there would be neither Christianity nor Islam.

Cryptic answer. I also noticed you dodged the answer.

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I have read them. If there's something I've missed, now would be a good time to point it out.

That my views are not one sided. I just pointed out what you should have done in the first place. Unfortunatly both of your views are one sided not balancing out the two sides.

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What is cryptic about my answers? Which "hide tactics" am I using?

Take a look at each and every one of your answers. Need more of an elaboration rather than simple single sentences.

[devioustrevor]

Tman1 Tman1:

devioustrevor devioustrevor:

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When Mark Twain visited the area, it was virtually uninhabited. The land has changed hands, and people have moved in and out of it so many times since Biblical times that it's difficult for any group of people to lay claim to it.

Wasnt aware Mark Twain visited the area and I doubt it was virtually uninhabitied in the 1800s. Regardless of what Mark Twain visited, Semitics where there long before Islam was a religion.

You're not disproving any points. Jews aren't the only semites. Arabs are also semitic. Congratulations, you just stated (granted it was through your own ignorance) that the Palestinians have as much right to the entire area as Israel.

Congradulations on proving your OWN ignorance. Semitics where there long before Islam was a religion Key word is Islam, not Arabs. This is way before Arabs migrated to Israel land and followed the Muslim faith.

"Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab." Straight from Muhammads mouth himself.

Semitics would've been their before Judaism was a religion either. The Jewish religion is ~4,000 and archaeologists know people have been living in that region for Tens of Thousands of Years.

You also seem unable or unwilling to recognize one important point. ARABS ARE SEMITES. They've been there all along. Just because they didn't become Jewish or get taken to Egypt as slaves doesn't mean they weren't there.

Also, you're whole ""Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab." quote is inconsequential.

[Tman1]

All I said was Semetics were there before Islam...Thats it. Are you just trying to redeem yourself after I parried your lame rebuttles? also which you still have yet to address or do you come back with this lame attempt to discredit me?

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Also, you're whole ""Being an Arab is not because of your father or mother, but being an Arab is on account of your tongue. Whoever learns Arabic is an Arab." quote is inconsequential.

Actually it is consequential if you think upon what it means. Just like you to toss that aside to discredit it.