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Setting aside Bart's proposals, in the real world it seems to me that our military doesn't want to defend Canada but rather go to distant lands to fight American wars in some desperate and pathetic attempt to win the approbation of their American buddies.

Oh yeah, how dare we fight for those rights in Afghanistan. How dare we try to take down the organization that will stop terrorist attacks on OUR country. It's clearly a ploy to gain favour with America. I mean, it's not like there were no Canadians killed on 9/11. Oh wait..

Let's make one thing clear: The real reason we went to Afghanistan was to throw a sop to the Americans after the decision not to go into Iraq. Nothing more and nothing less. It's a tradeoff I can personally live with, although I'm not happy to see it become such a money pit at Hillier's behest that there may no longer be any funds left to protect Canadian sovereignty.

BTW, this mission has done nothing to protect Canadians from terrorist acts and in the longer run may have quite the contrary effect.

With all that said, I'll be happy if A-stan somehow emerges from this with nice, human rights- respecting government and institutions, but so far that doesn't seem to have materialised.

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In the meantime, the Navy doesn't want to be bothered with our Arctic. Instead they want to dump that responsibility onto the Coast Guard.

Coast Guard? Since when do the coast guard fight? The navy doesn't want to be bothered because they don't have the resources to do it right now.

Sadly, you may be right. If only we hadn't gotten snookered into that deal for the C-17s (largely
useless for protecting Canada's borders but just swell for hauling stuff to A-stan).

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How many billions have already been spent on A-stan? Note how Hillier has been all gung-ho about that.

Perhaps you don't quite get this, but protecting our borders is also keeping the fight away from us at all costs.

Nosey military adventures will only serve as impetus for a new generation to hate the West (and now, Canada). How does this make us any safer?

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In the meantime, only hot air and the cost of dog food has been allocated to arctic sovereignty.

Yes, how dare Harper not do anything in the first year of his first term. What an ass. It's not like he has anything else to do.

Harper made an opportunistic promise that he probably now wishes he hadn't: Until he makes good on it critical scrutiny is warranted.

Harper and his party (both of which I intensely dislike) aren't the issues I'm driving at here, though. We can save that for another thread on another day.

I'm much more concerned with a military culture that has taken hold - or seems to be teetering on the brink of taking hold - in which defending Canadian sovereignty is summarily dismissed in favour of a knee-jerk emphasis on always sidling up to the Yanks whenever they demand it.

If that has become the prevailing attitude in the CF then something rather disturbing and perverse has taken place.

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Let's make one thing clear: The real reason we went to Afghanistan was to throw a sop to the Americans after the decision not to go into Iraq.

Which happened first? I thought we went to Afghanistan first. Or you're paranoid. Take your pick.

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Nothing more and nothing less. It's a tradeoff I can personally live with, although I'm not happy to see it become such a money pit at Hillier's behest that there may no longer be any funds left to protect Canadian sovereignty.

You believe what ever you want to believe. The people who matter don't agree with you. The troops.

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BTW, this mission has done nothing to protect Canadians from terrorist acts and in the longer run may have quite the contrary effect.

Higher security because of constant threats = less chance of terrorist attack because the RCMP and Csis are constantly looking for it.

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With all that said, I'll be happy if A-stan somehow emerges from this with nice, human rights- respecting government and institutions, but so far that doesn't seem to have materialised.

Impatient aren't we?

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Sadly, you may be right. If only we hadn't gotten snookered into that deal for the C-17s (largely useless for protecting Canada's borders but just swell for hauling stuff to A-stan).

What the hell is your problem? We have an obligation as part of NATO. We have an obligation to follow the UN mandate. We are best friends with America. Canadians were killed in 9/11. There is no reason NOT to be there except that it costs money and troops are dying. The troops don't have a problem with the latter it seems since they want to be there.

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Nosey military adventures will only serve as impetus for a new generation to hate the West (and now, Canada). How does this make us any safer?

Nosey? Fuck you are dense.

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Harper made an opportunistic promise that he probably now wishes he hadn't: Until he makes good on it critical scrutiny is warranted.

I will remember that when all of the Liberals promises are not fulfilled within the first year.

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I'm much more concerned with a military culture that has taken hold - or seems to be teetering on the brink of taking hold - in which defending Canadian sovereignty is dismissed in favour of a knee-jerk emphasis on always sidling up to the Yanks whenever they demand it.

Oh yeah we are sucking America's cock. Your anti-Americanism has blinded you and made you a moron. We are there to help a friend, to take down the Taliban, and to restore peace to that country. Don't like it, then suck it up.

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Let's make one thing clear: The real reason we went to Afghanistan was to throw a sop to the Americans after the decision not to go into Iraq.

Which happened first? I thought we went to Afghanistan first. Or you're paranoid. Take your pick.

So you know exactly when cabinet decided not to go to Iraq?

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Nothing more and nothing less. It's a tradeoff I can personally live with, although I'm not happy to see it become such a money pit at Hillier's behest that there may no longer be any funds left to protect Canadian sovereignty.

You believe what ever you want to believe. The people who matter don't agree with you. The troops.

The troops' views don't count for beans if they run counter to Canadian interests, and so far I don't see you explaining how sacrificing our sovereignty on the altar of this mission is in Canadian interests. So far you've just offered a lot of hysterical platitudes.

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BTW, this mission has done nothing to protect Canadians from terrorist acts and in the longer run may have quite the contrary effect.

Higher security because of constant threats = less chance of terrorist attack because the RCMP and Csis are constantly looking for it.

So we had to go to Afghanistan to beef up domestic security measures?!? Now you're flailing.

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With all that said, I'll be happy if A-stan somehow emerges from this with nice, human rights- respecting government and institutions, but so far that doesn't seem to have materialised.

Impatient aren't we?

If it becomes another drawn-out quagmire, I will become quite impatient. Until then, I'll merely point out that Afghanistan's government is a shabby puppet regime with an equally shabby human-rights record. Better than the Taliban, but nothing for us to be crowing about.

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Sadly, you may be right. If only we hadn't gotten snookered into that deal for the C-17s (largely useless for protecting Canada's borders but just swell for hauling stuff to A-stan).

What the hell is your problem? We have an obligation as part of NATO. We have an obligation to follow the UN mandate. We are best friends with America. Canadians were killed in 9/11. There is no reason NOT to be there except that it costs money and troops are dying. The troops don't have a problem with the latter it seems since they want to be there.

What was I saying about our military culture? You're helping prove my point.

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Nosey military adventures will only serve as impetus for a new generation to hate the West (and now, Canada). How does this make us any safer?

Nosey? Fuck you are dense.

Oops. I didn't mean to trigger a tantrum. My bad.

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Harper made an opportunistic promise that he probably now wishes he hadn't: Until he makes good on it critical scrutiny is warranted.

I will remember that when all of the Liberals promises are not fulfilled within the first year.

By all means critique the Liberals, in your uniquely sophisticated way.

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I'm much more concerned with a military culture that has taken hold - or seems to be teetering on the brink of taking hold - in which defending Canadian sovereignty is dismissed in favour of a knee-jerk emphasis on always sidling up to the Yanks whenever they demand it.

Oh yeah we are sucking America's cock. Your anti-Americanism has blinded you and made you a moron. We are there to help a friend, to take down the Taliban, and to restore peace to that country. Don't like it, then suck it up.

No way. Civilians NEVER have to suck it up. The military, on the other hand, does. You aspire to a career in the CF, right? You better get used to sucking it up.

Open your eyes and stop being such a sap.

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"And fuck our military, lets spend more on education!"
I'll have to agree with you seeing how you only needed a 60% to graduate when I needed at least a 70%.

Why would I need to be jealous of a language I've no desire or need to learn.

Then again you feel the need to try and put someone down via name calling for pointing out where I perceived your errors to be. Way to show your sophistication.

One last thing you failed to even really hit the other points that I brought up. Could it because I'm right on them and you just don't want to admit it.

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So you know exactly when cabinet decided not to go to Iraq?

Dp you?

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The troops' views don't count for beans if they run counter to Canadian interests,

Are they not Canadian? Ergo Canadian interests.

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and so far I don't see you explaining how sacrificing our sovereignty on the altar of this mission is in Canadian interests. So far you've just offered a lot of hysterical platitudes.

Because our Arctic Sovereignty isn't a major priority at the moment.

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So we had to go to Afghanistan to beef up domestic security measures?!? Now you're flailing.

Of course not, but it did make an excuse

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If it becomes another drawn-out quagmire, I will become quite impatient. Until then, I'll merely point out that Afghanistan's government is a shabby puppet regime with an equally shabby human-rights record. Better than the Taliban, but nothing for us to be crowing about.

Which is why we are still there. Imagine that.

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What was I saying about our military culture? You're helping prove my point.

What Military culture? That we respect it? We cherish the people who protect this country? If that is a military country then you need to move to France.

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Oops. I didn't mean to trigger a tantrum. My bad.

Why is it that when we have a discussion, I dislike you more?

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By all means critique the Liberals, in your uniquely sophisticated way.

No point now, because the Conservatives are in power. I try not to sink to the lefts level. You know how they always bring up Mulroney right?

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No way. Civilians NEVER have to suck it up.

Really? So when the Government voted to go into Afghanistan, the people who didn't like it didn't have to suck it up? What did they do? Cry constantly? That had to at some point.

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The military, on the other hand, does. You aspire to a career in the CF, right? You better get used to sucking it up.

You mean like not getting the equipment they need to stay alive and do their job properly? Oh there I go, with that military culture again. I don't know what you're deal is with the military, but try not to cast such a bad light on them. Makes you look bad.

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Open your eyes and stop being such a sap.

Open YOUR eyes and stop being such a dimwit.

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Nick-the-Canadian Nick-the-Canadian:

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"And fuck our military, lets spend more on education!"
I'll have to agree with you seeing how you only needed a 60% to graduate when I needed at least a 70%.

Why would I need to be jealous of a language I've no desire or need to learn.

Then again you feel the need to try and put someone down via name calling for pointing out where I perceived your errors to be. Way to show your sophistication.

One last thing you failed to even really hit the other points that I brought up. Could it because I'm right on them and you just don't want to admit it.

What was your average in french, i did 96% in english

I dropped it after grade 9. So boring.

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Nick-the-Canadian Nick-the-Canadian:

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Nick-the-Canadian Nick-the-Canadian:

stratos stratos:

"And fuck our military, lets spend more on education!"
I'll have to agree with you seeing how you only needed a 60% to graduate when I needed at least a 70%.

Why would I need to be jealous of a language I've no desire or need to learn.

Then again you feel the need to try and put someone down via name calling for pointing out where I perceived your errors to be. Way to show your sophistication.

One last thing you failed to even really hit the other points that I brought up. Could it because I'm right on them and you just don't want to admit it.

What was your average in french, i did 96% in english

I dropped it after grade 9. So boring.

Certes, pour quelqu'un d'aussi inférieur intellectuellement

Yes because I find French boring I am inferior intellectually. Hey what was your average?

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4) As a matter of national security, the Canadian Navy must be able to project power beyond the shores of Canada in order to meet a potential foe before they can strike at Canadian soil.

I highlighted the important ones.

But this is the particularly striking and scary bit. He's essentially advocating the use of our military in a provocative manner, in other words, looking for excuses to make war and then blaming the victim. This is why someone like Bart should never run a country. Well, that and his obvious and repeatedly expressed desire for genocide against Muslims, despite that he will likely claim the contrary after reading this.

I think he means it is better to fight them away from home...

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4) As a matter of national security, the Canadian Navy must be able to project power beyond the shores of Canada in order to meet a potential foe before they can strike at Canadian soil.

I highlighted the important ones.

But this is the particularly striking and scary bit. He's essentially advocating the use of our military in a provocative manner, in other words, looking for excuses to make war and then blaming the victim. This is why someone like Bart should never run a country. Well, that and his obvious and repeatedly expressed desire for genocide against Muslims, despite that he will likely claim the contrary after reading this.

I think he means it is better to fight them away from home...

Fight whom? You're not disagreeing with me, but that's the problem.

Whomever our enemy may be.

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Nick-the-Canadian Nick-the-Canadian:

stratos stratos:

"And fuck our military, lets spend more on education!"
I'll have to agree with you seeing how you only needed a 60% to graduate when I needed at least a 70%.

Why would I need to be jealous of a language I've no desire or need to learn.

Then again you feel the need to try and put someone down via name calling for pointing out where I perceived your errors to be. Way to show your sophistication.

One last thing you failed to even really hit the other points that I brought up. Could it because I'm right on them and you just don't want to admit it.

What was your average in french, i did 96% in english

Never took it and why should I I'll never need to use it and its boreing.
What was your average in Spanish?
Can you speak Vietnamese?
Hows your Greek?
Hows your Hebrew?
Hows your Finnish, Sweedish, German, and Japanese?
How's your Russian?
How many Chinese dialects can you speak?

Wow I could go on for ever. Yet each one of those languages I've mentioned I've been exposed to yet not once have I ever been exposed to French.

Spanish is about the only one of those I can hold my own in. The others are just like I said I've been exposed to them in my life time via diffrent means. Not once has anyone spoken French to me. So I guess I was correct in not takeing French. Though odd how you do need to use english. How great is French been for you outside of Quebec?