[ASLplease]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

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Many people posting here seem to be angry at religion. You demand the right of 'freedom of thought' for yourselves, but want to deny it to people of faith. Should they not have the sames rights as you?

a comment from the news link

I don't deny them their "freedom of thought" nor do I deny them their "freedom of ignorance". They're allowed to hold their antiquated, hypocritical notions, but why should they be above criticism?

I dont understand, did you post on the other website, and this comment was directed at you?

[EyeBrock]

Apparently wiki-leaks has secret cables saying that the earth is really billions of years old.

Those fuckers!

[herbie]

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Many people posting here seem to be angry at religion. You demand the right of 'freedom of thought' for yourselves, but want to deny it to people of faith. Should they not have the sames rights as you?

Most of us are members of a mainstream religion rather than a fundamentalist cult.

[Mustang1]

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I dont understand, did you post on the other website, and this comment was directed at you?

You don't understand? That makes two of us - i was commenting on the "news link" quote.

[The_Doctor]

I want to know where Bart stands. lol

[andyt]

herbie herbie:

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Many people posting here seem to be angry at religion. You demand the right of 'freedom of thought' for yourselves, but want to deny it to people of faith. Should they not have the sames rights as you?

Most of us are members of a mainstream religion rather than a fundamentalist cult.

The problem is that if the bible is not meant to be interpreted literally, as the inerrant word of God, then it collapses the whole monotheistic edifice. It really becomes that everybody can pick and chose what to believe in. I think this is a good thing, but it sure beats hell out of the churches. Which is why the growth in religion has been in fundamentalist Christianity and Islam, approaches that offer certainty. i.e., What's the point of having a God if you have to figure it all out for yourself anyway?

[ASLplease]

herbie herbie:

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Many people posting here seem to be angry at religion. You demand the right of 'freedom of thought' for yourselves, but want to deny it to people of faith. Should they not have the sames rights as you?

Most of us are members of a mainstream religion rather than a fundamentalist cult.

so does that mean half(38%) of the 80% that believe in inteligent design, are fundamentalist cultists?

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just asking a wide open question that you should feel comfortable answering.

[billypilgrim]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

ASLplease ASLplease:

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Many people posting here seem to be angry at religion. You demand the right of 'freedom of thought' for yourselves, but want to deny it to people of faith. Should they not have the sames rights as you?

a comment from the news link

even if i wanted to deny anyone's 'freedom of thought', how could i? i wouldn't support any manner of mind control.

but given the ability and the option, the 'new earth' faithful would deny non-believers our freedom of thought. but until such technology or technique is available, they'll just grin at the idea of us heretics burning in hell, etc..

[ASLplease]

andyt andyt:

herbie herbie:

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Many people posting here seem to be angry at religion. You demand the right of 'freedom of thought' for yourselves, but want to deny it to people of faith. Should they not have the sames rights as you?

Most of us are members of a mainstream religion rather than a fundamentalist cult.

The problem is that if the bible is not meant to be interpreted literally, as the inerrant word of God, then it collapses the whole monotheistic edifice. It really becomes that everybody can pick and chose what to believe in. I think this is a good thing, but it sure beats hell out of the churches. Which is why the growth in religion has been in fundamentalist Christianity and Islam, approaches that offer certainty. i.e., What's the point of having a God if you have to figure it all out for yourself anyway?

Damn it, Andy. When you use words like 'monotheistic edifice' I have to close my newphy dictionary and open up my meriam webster.

[Dayseed]

ASLplease ASLplease:

seriously guys,

the ability for a man to describe something is limited to their ability to understand it. follow what I'm saying?

The book of genesis may be a god inspired book but it was written by man.

For thousands of years, if you gave someone a divine vision or revelation about how the earth was created, he would most likely get the passage of time incorrect.ie Images flying past your eyes might very well be interpreted as day 1, day 2, day 3. etc when in fact each 'day' was millions of years.

Some churches are starting to adopt this 'we dont know for sure' approach to creationism. To me, it makes more sense than a 6000 year old world, and it makes more sense than science's random mutation theory, as well.

What part of the "random mutation theory" don't you understand? I would say you fundamentally don't understand it, since "random mutations" are a slight part of modern evolutionary theory.

But you know what? It doesn't matter. The fact of evolution or the mythology of Christianity are two sides of the same coin. Each seek to explain our origin, evolution through reason and Christianity through faith in a power beyond reason.

You may never come to shed yourself of your Christian beliefs; in fact, us attacking them may make you cling more strongly to them.

I say that because I don't live a "pure" atheist life either. If somebody cuts me off in traffic, I don't think "Well, that person has a genetic predisposition to anti-social behaviour which momentarily advantages him. I say, how different and varied evolution has made our actions!"

Instead, I wish some cosmic justice would have him whip past a cop doing 40 over, or blow a tire and hit a mailbox. I often use swear words to invoke this justice.

If you want to believe God dipped his finger into reality and wove a world in its trail, have at it.

Just don't teach it in public schools...okay? That's how shit gets real.

[ASLplease]

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What part of the "random mutation theory" don't you understand?

The part where you convinced me that the infinite( makes billions look tiny) possible mutations just happened to have sequentially fell into place over a relatively short period of time(millions of years).

Without that, the rest of your post is worthless.

[andyt]

ASLplease ASLplease:

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What part of the "random mutation theory" don't you understand?

The part where you convinced me that the infinite( makes billions look tiny) possible mutations just happened to have sequentially fell into place over a relatively short period of time(millions of years).

Without that, the rest of your post is worthless.

Care to expand on your statement? I think you're making up your own evolutionary theory here.

[Mustang1]

ASLplease ASLplease:

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What part of the "random mutation theory" don't you understand?

The part where you convinced me that the infinite( makes billions look tiny) possible mutations just happened to have sequentially fell into place over a relatively short period of time(millions of years).

Without that, the rest of your post is worthless.

Then riddle me this - if evolution is God-centred, why so many false ends? Why not just go, "boom! Day one - ipods, lazer beams and Oprah!"?

[ASLplease]

obviously something has you feeling that way, what is it? my inability to blindly support the monothiestic edifice of modern day science without questioning it first? I thought the scientific method is all about questioning things, so why are you realigious zealots so caulked on the evolution THEORY?

[ASLplease]

Mustang1 Mustang1:

he part where you convinced me that the infinite( makes billions look tiny) possible mutations just happened to have sequentially fell into place over a relatively short period of time(millions of years).

Without that, the rest of your post is worthless.

Then riddle me this - if evolution is God-centred, why so many false ends? Why not just go, "boom! Day one - ipods, lazer beams and Oprah!"?[/quote]

Alright, Mr! where do you get off claiming that ipods, and Oprah are to the credit of God?