[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Not really. Alcohol is legal. I can go to the local microbrewery, head held high, and buy a six pack of IPA knowing I'm contributing to the local industry in my community. Selfish? No more than if I go out to dinner, buy produce from the local market, or drop a twoonie in the hat of a busker on the causeway.

Now the guy buying some pot from a shady dealer on the street? The guy dropping a few bucks into the organized crime industry - the same one carrying out gangland killings, extortion, and quite possibly down the line, planning terrorist attacks?

Sorry, ain't the same in any way shape or form.

Breaking the law of the land to feed the selfish desire irrespective of the harm that ocurrs is not the same as me buying that six pack from the local microbrewery.

Very few people see it that way. You're supporting an industry that kills more people than all other drugs combined. During alcohol prohibition the law was broken by regular folks all the time because it was an unjust law. The same thing is happening now. You can try to change millions of minds, and blame them for the problems caused by the law itself (not the drugs) but you must realize how foolish that is when we could choose regulation over prohibition and actually do something about it.

Alcohol is beside the point so flogging that argument contributes nothing.

Fact is, as has been said, pot (we'll stick with that one for now) is currently illegal. I support making it legal. I do not support those who knowingly use it even though it is illegal, and contribute to organized crime and terrorism all to fulfill a selfish desire.

You could work to make it legal, then toke up knowing you are supporting the government through the taxes you pay instead of the local gang, Mexican cartel, terrorist group.

No brainer here... really. Just takes some moral fortitude to lay down the illegal crime supporting joint while you make the country better by ending the prohibition on pot.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I do not support those who knowingly use it even though it is illegal, and contribute to organized crime and terrorism all to fulfill a selfish desire.

Maybe they should harass their doctor and become a burden on the medical system to get a card from Health Canada to say they can use it since that's the only way to legally use it. They aren't less dangerous once they have that card, but your argument goes away once they do.

Gunnair Gunnair:

You could work to make it legal, then toke up knowing you are supporting the government through the taxes you pay instead of the local gang, Mexican cartel, terrorist group.

No brainer here... really. Just takes some moral fortitude to lay down the illegal crime supporting joint while you make the country better by ending the prohibition on pot.

I don't smoke pot on a regular basis. I don't buy it ever. I tried the Volcano ( ) a few weeks ago at a friends house but I'd probably still pass a piss test.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I do not support those who knowingly use it even though it is illegal, and contribute to organized crime and terrorism all to fulfill a selfish desire.

Maybe they should harass their doctor and become a burden on the medical system to get a card from Health Canada to say they can use it since that's the only way to legally use it. They aren't less dangerous once they have that card, but your argument goes away once they do.

They could become a burden, but then they're taking away resources from something else in the Health Care system. That seems to be one of your arguments for legalizing pot (saving resources in the police system for something more important), so they'd be undermining your own point here and continuing to exercise their very selfish whims on the backs of others.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I do not support those who knowingly use it even though it is illegal, and contribute to organized crime and terrorism all to fulfill a selfish desire.

Maybe they should harass their doctor and become a burden on the medical system to get a card from Health Canada to say they can use it since that's the only way to legally use it. They aren't less dangerous once they have that card, but your argument goes away once they do.

They could become a burden, but then they're taking away resources from something else in the Health Care system. That seems to be one of your arguments for legalizing pot (saving resources in the police system for something more important), so they'd be undermining your own point here and continuing to exercise their very selfish whims on the backs of others.

But its all nice and legal. So no problem from you right?

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

Maybe they should harass their doctor and become a burden on the medical system to get a card from Health Canada to say they can use it since that's the only way to legally use it. They aren't less dangerous once they have that card, but your argument goes away once they do.

They could become a burden, but then they're taking away resources from something else in the Health Care system. That seems to be one of your arguments for legalizing pot (saving resources in the police system for something more important), so they'd be undermining your own point here and continuing to exercise their very selfish whims on the backs of others.

But its all nice and legal. So no problem from you right?

What's all nice and legal?

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

What's all nice and legal?

Getting a card that says you can possess and use marijuana. You don't even need a good reason. Then you can buy from the gangsters and not commit a crime.

How To Apply

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

What's all nice and legal?

Getting a card that says you can possess and use marijuana. You don't even need a good reason. Then you can buy from the gangsters and not commit a crime.

How To Apply

Possibly. The fact you are doing it while inhabiting a moral wasteland still undermines your valid argument of not wasting resources.

Again, it's all for extraordinary selfish reasons and you're still supporting crime and terrorism.

Really, not much more to it than that.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

What's all nice and legal?

Getting a card that says you can possess and use marijuana. You don't even need a good reason. Then you can buy from the gangsters and not commit a crime.

How To Apply

Possibly. The fact you are doing it while inhabiting a moral wasteland still undermines your valid argument of not wasting resources.

Again, it's all for extraordinary selfish reasons and you're still supporting crime and terrorism.

Really, not much more to it than that.

Wait..what??? How the hell is my growing a few plants for personal use contributing anything to organized crime and terrorism???

[Gunnair]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

Getting a card that says you can possess and use marijuana. You don't even need a good reason. Then you can buy from the gangsters and not commit a crime.

How To Apply

Possibly. The fact you are doing it while inhabiting a moral wasteland still undermines your valid argument of not wasting resources.

Again, it's all for extraordinary selfish reasons and you're still supporting crime and terrorism.

Really, not much more to it than that.

Wait..what??? How the hell is my growing a few plants for personal use contributing anything to organized crime and terrorism???

It doesn't. I wish all of the pot smokers out there would do this while they wait for legalization. I was responding to this point by Curtman.

$1:

Then you can buy from the gangsters and not commit a crime.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Possibly. The fact you are doing it while inhabiting a moral wasteland still undermines your valid argument of not wasting resources.

Again, it's all for extraordinary selfish reasons and you're still supporting crime and terrorism.

Really, not much more to it than that.

Exactly! But it's legal for you as a card carrying medicinal marijuana user to do that. Morally it's wrong, but the broken prohibition laws say that is fine when your compassion club is raided and shut down.

Proponents of medical marijuana are organizing after a Langley dispensary was shut down

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The former clients of a Langley medical marijuana dispensary raided by RCMP last month are organizing a petition and campaign to have it re-opened.

"People should be able to access medicine that has been prescribed by their doctor," said Dan Mackle, who was the first client of the dispensary, which ran for about 11 months in Langley City on Fraser Highway.
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The raid has left him with a prescription for medical marijuana, but no means of getting a supply, aside from seeking out drug dealers.

"That's not something I support," he said.
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The raid on the Langley dispensary was one of three launched by the RCMP over a few weeks. Dispensaries and compassion clubs in Burnaby and Chilliwack were also raided in late July. Meanwhile, over the summer the federal government announced it would look at reducing the number of people allowed to grow medical marijuana.

Langley's mayors and RCMP have expressed concern about medical grows, which while legal, can be the target of violence from gangsters looking to steal and resell the crop. Due to privacy laws, the RCMP do not know the location of a legal, medical grow when it is established.

How common is theft by gangsters at these places? None of that ever hits the news, but the police raids happen one a month or so somewhere in Canada, and every one of them is in the news.

[Gunnair]

I s'pose you can try and take the discussion everywhere you wish to try and justify your opinion, but the fact you conveniently tapped danced around is that fact that currently, drugs are illegal and buying drugs from organized crime while you push for legalization still supports organized crime.

And that supporting of organized crime is done for purely selfish reasons.

Full stop.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I s'pose you can try and take the discussion everywhere you wish to try and justify your opinion, but the fact you conveniently tapped danced around is that fact that currently, drugs are illegal and buying drugs from organized crime while you push for legalization still supports organized crime.

And that supporting of organized crime is done for purely selfish reasons.

Full stop.

They aren't illegal though, they're quasi-legal. Legal for some, illegal for others. The strange but true situation exists where our government allows some people to use it, and then shuts down the microbrewery-like clubs that you prefer for your vice. It seems like they actually prefer these people to obtain pot from gangsters. That is and and always has been the topic of this thread. Gangsters profit from prohibition.

[Regina]

Curtman Curtman:

They aren't illegal though, they're quasi-legal. Legal for some, illegal for others. The strange but true situation exists where our government allows some people to use it, and then shuts down the microbrewery-like clubs that you prefer for your vice. It seems like they actually prefer these people to obtain pot from gangsters. That is and and always has been the topic of this thread. Gangsters profit from prohibition.

Sounds allot like Oxycodone doesn't it? Certainly something organized crime has nothing to do with either.

[BartSimpson]

saturn_656 saturn_656:

So because Mexico lacks the ability to properly enforce laws in their own country and prosecute the cartels, the US has to alter its laws to suit what best benefits Mexico?

Why not? They want the US to ban guns because their ban on guns has been so effective.

[Curtman]

Regina Regina:

Sounds allot like Oxycodone doesn't it? Certainly something organized crime has nothing to do with either.

Yep it does, except Oxycodone is a known killer and it's available to anyone who complains about pain to their doctor.

Study finds huge rise in oxycodone deaths

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They found prescriptions for oxycodone in Ontario rose by more than 850 per cent during the study period -- an increase that was much larger than for any other narcotic pain reliever.

They also noted that after OxyContin was added to the provincial drug plan in 2000, deaths from any opioid increased by 41 per cent over the next five years. In fact, deaths from prescription opioids in Ontario far outnumbered those from heroin.
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Dhalla notes that many of the narcotic deaths happened to people who had received a prescription for the drug in the month before they died, suggesting that most were using the medication not for recreational use but for legitimate pain relief.
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Two years ago, Purdue and three of its former executives, pleaded guilty to misleading the public about OxyContin's risk of addiction and less subject to abuse than other pain medications. In fact it is highly addictive and can be used by recreational drug users, who have dubbed it "hillbilly heroin."

People aren't dropping dead from pot, so where is the justification to raid a compassion club, and not the pharmacy? Who is better off when its clientele go back to the gangsters?