[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I s'pose you can try and take the discussion everywhere you wish to try and justify your opinion, but the fact you conveniently tapped danced around is that fact that currently, drugs are illegal and buying drugs from organized crime while you push for legalization still supports organized crime.

And that supporting of organized crime is done for purely selfish reasons.

Full stop.

They aren't illegal though, they're quasi-legal. Legal for some, illegal for others. The strange but true situation exists where our government allows some people to use it, and then shuts down the microbrewery-like clubs that you prefer for your vice. It seems like they actually prefer these people to obtain pot from gangsters. That is and and always has been the topic of this thread. Gangsters profit from prohibition.

You're firing chaff, and a lot of it, to deflect the argument to score some points from what is at best a teeny tiny sideshow to the drug issue.

The main point that you seem to be refusing to admit to, is that pot users, as they attempt to legalize the drug, are supporting organized crime, and potentially terrorism when they buy from dealers. And they support organized crime through conscious choice driven by nothing more than selfishness.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

You're firing chaff, and a lot of it, to deflect the argument to score some points from what is at best a teeny tiny sideshow to the drug issue.

The main point that you seem to be refusing to admit to, is that pot users, as they attempt to legalize the drug, are supporting organized crime, and potentially terrorism when they buy from dealers. And they support organized crime through conscious choice driven by nothing more than selfishness.

Of course they are! I don't think it's a conscious choice to support organized crime. Most of them seem to be unaware that they even are.

Not everyone advocating legalization is a drug user.



How are these folks supporting organized crime through their legalization efforts?

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

You're firing chaff, and a lot of it, to deflect the argument to score some points from what is at best a teeny tiny sideshow to the drug issue.

The main point that you seem to be refusing to admit to, is that pot users, as they attempt to legalize the drug, are supporting organized crime, and potentially terrorism when they buy from dealers. And they support organized crime through conscious choice driven by nothing more than selfishness.

Of course they are! I don't think it's a conscious choice to support organized crime. Most of them seem to be unaware that they even are.

I find that to be one of the most absurd and unbelievable points ever made in the ongoing debates over legalization in this forum. At the absolute very best, an argument can be made for willfully ignorance. But to claim that users have no idea that the money they pay to local dealers for drugs flows into organized crime is a lie of epic proportions.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

I find that to be one of the most absurd and unbelievable points ever made in the ongoing debates over legalization in this forum. At the absolute very best, an argument can be made for willfully ignorance. But to claim that users have no idea that the money they pay to local dealers for drugs flows into organized crime is a lie of epic proportions.

Well it's true. They are separated from the gangsters by their dealers. They only interact with that guy, and they assume he is the one making all the money. Do you think your average pot smoker associates his use with supporting the gangsters? It's not absurd at all. People don't think about who supplies the 7-11 stores when they buy stuff there, and they don't think about who supplies their drug dealer. And they probably think the drug dealer is their friend.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

I find that to be one of the most absurd and unbelievable points ever made in the ongoing debates over legalization in this forum. At the absolute very best, an argument can be made for willfully ignorance. But to claim that users have no idea that the money they pay to local dealers for drugs flows into organized crime is a lie of epic proportions.

Well it's true. They are separated from the gangsters by their dealers. They only interact with that guy, and they assume he is the one making all the money. Do you think your average pot smoker associates his use with supporting the gangsters? It's not absurd at all. People don't think about who supplies the 7-11 stores when they buy stuff there, and they don't think about who supplies their drug dealer. And they probably think the drug dealer is their friend.

It is extraordinarily absurd. One can't fling a dead cat around without hearing about pot and its gangland associations in the media. Even plugging your ears, scream 'La la la la' and shoving your head in a hole won't stop you hearing the litany of media stories associating pot with gangland activity.

[Regina]

Curtman the problem is you don't understand the difference between a compassion club and a pharmacy. And that's just the beginning of your downhill journey.
You screwed up in the drug trade, got caught and are trying to legitimize your error by preaching legalization. Not going to happen and we're not buying that garbage.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

It is extraordinarily absurd. One can't fling a dead cat around without hearing about pot and its gangland associations in the media. Even plugging your ears, scream 'La la la la' and shoving your head in a hole won't stop you hearing the litany of media stories associating pot with gangland activity.

It's not the pot that is associated with it though, it's the prohibition laws that are. There's nothing about pot that makes people want to get weapons and join a gang. Prohibition does that.

[Curtman]

Regina Regina:

Curtman the problem is you don't understand the difference between a compassion club and a pharmacy. And that's just the beginning of your downhill journey.

I understand the difference. One sells highly addictive deadly drugs produced by corporations with lawyers, and the other sells a plant that has never been directly related to any death. Both drugs are effective pain relievers prescribed by doctors not the dispensary.

Regina Regina:

You screwed up in the drug trade, got caught and are trying to legitimize your error by preaching legalization. Not going to happen and we're not buying that garbage.

You are 100% wrong about that. I've never sold drugs to anybody, so there's nothing to legitimize, or to have been "caught" doing. Drugs were everywhere years ago when I was in school, and a lot of people who I considered to be friends at the time got screwed up in the drug trade, but I wasn't one of them.

[Gunnair]

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

It is extraordinarily absurd. One can't fling a dead cat around without hearing about pot and its gangland associations in the media. Even plugging your ears, scream 'La la la la' and shoving your head in a hole won't stop you hearing the litany of media stories associating pot with gangland activity.

It's not the pot that is associated with it though, it's the prohibition laws that are. There's nothing about pot that makes people want to get weapons and join a gang. Prohibition does that.

Wrong. Simply wrong. You are again blaming prohibition for forcing Joe pothead to break the law for purely selfish reasons so he can get high.

Speeders make the same argument when they do 20, 30, 40 kn over the speed limit and risk everyone's life so they can get where they're going a little bit faster.

It's hard to find a more narcissistic argument. Really.

It's a vast moral wasteland where that argument finds holding ground.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

Gunnair Gunnair:

It is extraordinarily absurd. One can't fling a dead cat around without hearing about pot and its gangland associations in the media. Even plugging your ears, scream 'La la la la' and shoving your head in a hole won't stop you hearing the litany of media stories associating pot with gangland activity.

It's not the pot that is associated with it though, it's the prohibition laws that are. There's nothing about pot that makes people want to get weapons and join a gang. Prohibition does that.

Wrong. Simply wrong. You are again blaming prohibition for forcing Joe pothead to break the law for purely selfish reasons so he can get high.

Question: Do you hold the same opinion for those that consumed alcohol during Prohibition? And be honest please.

[Curtman]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Wrong. Simply wrong. You are again blaming prohibition for forcing Joe pothead to break the law for purely selfish reasons so he can get high.

Speeders make the same argument when they do 20, 30, 40 kn over the speed limit and risk everyone's life so they can get where they're going a little bit faster.

It's hard to find a more narcissistic argument. Really.

It's a vast moral wasteland where that argument finds holding ground.

Nothing forces Joe pothead to do anything. Joe pothead will buy his pot from anyone who will sell it to him. He might not be breaking the law at all. It's not illegal for him to buy pot from gangsters if he is allowed to have it. Whether he realizes he is buying it from gangsters or not is of no consequence. He's going to do it anyway.

Charges stayed against pot club staff, volunteers

$1:

Tapiero, the owner of Cannabis as Living Medicine (CALM), sells medical marijuana to people with chronic diseases, including HIV. After his Queen St. E. club was raided on March 31, nine people, including Tapiero, faced drug-related charges. On Monday, the charges were stayed against everyone except the owner.
...
Lawyer Alan Young, who has represented many medical marijuana clients, including CALM, said there’s a slim chance the case will see the light of day.

“There’s a lot the government could lose if CALM is right that they have a constitutional protection to distribute the product,” Young said.

The prohibitionists are afraid to prosecute these people because of the moral wasteland that they represent. Joe pothead has no interest in the morality of the drug trade, other than how he feels persecuted by it.

[Gunnair]

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Curtman Curtman:

It's not the pot that is associated with it though, it's the prohibition laws that are. There's nothing about pot that makes people want to get weapons and join a gang. Prohibition does that.

Wrong. Simply wrong. You are again blaming prohibition for forcing Joe pothead to break the law for purely selfish reasons so he can get high.

Question: Do you hold the same opinion for those that consumed alcohol during Prohibition? And be honest please.

I do, but with a caveat.

Prohibition made something that was once legal, briefly illegal. I have a bit more empathy for them than I do for potheads today.

[PublicAnimalNo9]

Gunnair Gunnair:

PublicAnimalNo9 PublicAnimalNo9:

Question: Do you hold the same opinion for those that consumed alcohol during Prohibition? And be honest please.

I do, but with a caveat.

Prohibition made something that was once legal, briefly illegal. I have a bit more empathy for them than I do for potheads today.

Really? Cuz pot was legal until the 1920s in Canada and was made illegal based on purely racist reasons. And those drinkers were certainly knowingly and willingly contributing to organized crime.
So really, what is the moral difference?

[Lemmy]

[ShepherdsDog]

Even during prohibition, limited alcohol production was allowed to continue, as it was an important component in many medicines and the Catholic Church used it to in their services.