[romanP]

Religion never made any wrongs, only people did.

The term non-believer is kind of a misnomer. It's actually really hard to not believe in anything. I think it's more important to separate rational belief from irrational belief. I try not to believe anything, and that often presents a sort of schizophrenic splitting of hairs that makes it difficult to be certain about things that aren't really bad to be certain about.

[Arctic_Menace]

$1:

Religion never made any wrongs, only people did.

[Wada]

People made religion and blamed it on God. I think people made, created blame too.

[Arctic_Menace]

$1:

People made religion and blamed it on God.

Actually, humanity made religion because it was a way to explain the crazy world around us. We didn't know better back then...

[Durandal]

romanP romanP:

The term non-believer is kind of a misnomer. It's actually really hard to not believe in anything.

+ 1

$1:

I think it's more important to separate rational belief from irrational belief.

- 1

$1:

I try not to believe anything, and that often presents a sort of schizophrenic splitting of hairs that makes it difficult to be certain about things that aren't really bad to be certain about.

[Blue_Nose]

It was the talking snake that was the CON, making Eve believe that knowledge and wisdom were better than stupidity and ignorance.

Stupid fucking snake - now it walks on its belly and eats dust. How's that for wisdom?

[romanP]

Durandal Durandal:

$1:

I think it's more important to separate rational belief from irrational belief.

- 1

-1 for what?

There's no harm in believing that 1 + 1 = 2, and that won't hurt anyone, but when you start believing in anything your imagination can come up with, it creates all sorts of problems.

[jason700]

Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:

Tell that to the Students when people like you an Aithiest. Take all the things of the scriptures, and prayers out of the schools, now the Kids have been failed. Now there is shootings in schools. Kids are problem now more than ever.

October 1978:
Sturgeon Creek School, Winnipeg

Oct. 27, 1975:
Saint Pius X School, Ottawa

May 1975:
Centennial Secondary School, Brampton, Ont.


All of them long before prayer was removed from public schools.

[jason700]

Biblical_Christian Biblical_Christian:

Catholics believe you must give $$$$ for prayers to get the dead people out of (make believe) Purgatory. Or any kinda prayer, exorcisms, Evangelists? actually feed the poor. You have an option, to give or not give. Why is it so hard to figure that out?

I grew up Catholic, no longer am one... I have no reason to defend them. But this is an outright lie. Nobody in the Catholic church has to give money for anything. In fact my friend joined an evangelical church his last year of high school and actually told me that people are expected to give 10% of their wages.

So if anything, it is the opposite.

And for both religions, money collected goes to sustaining church property, functions, ministers salary long before it goes toward helping the poor.

[Blue_Nose]

Religion might be a CON, but Qigong is real. Proof:


BlargImfortyfiveyearsold!

[Genessee]

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

Let me ask you this - according to your own beliefs, what do you presume will happen to me, a reasonably moralistic, caring person, who refuses to believe in any God, much less follow any given religious practice? What's God going to say to me after I die?

He ain't gonna say a thing to you; you don't believe in him!

It is said that if you deny him, he in turn will deny you. You've already decided how you want to spend your life after life, but I am concerned for the soul of the person who automatically decides that something or someone cannot possibly exist just because they don't think or feel the way you do. It's like people out there who choose to disown a family member when they don't do things the way THEY think things should be done. Does the disowned person cease to exist just because an arrogant human being says they don't? Feelings don't make facts.

[Arctic_Menace]

$1:

He ain't gonna say a thing to you; you don't believe in him!

But what if he doesn't exist?

$1:

It is said that if you deny him, he in turn will deny you.

So then God has the attitude of a five year old brat.

[Gunnair]

Yogi Yogi:

All 'religion' is a con for that matter! The concept of right & wrong is instilled in us from birth. Only the weak need the trappings and bullshit found with-in the parameteres of an edifice built to glorify man! Just follow the $$$$. The 'top dogs' of EVERY religion live in splendor while a vast majority of their congregation live hand to mouth or worse.Spiritual leaders. RIIIIIGHT!

The very 'ONE' that they purport to represent lived a life of poverty, avoiding all the trappings of wealth and home was wherever he was at the time he needed to rest! Show me in your bible where it states that 'the Creator' asked for money from anyone to support anything or build a church to honor himself!

Not again...

Since your bitching out Christianity under the organized relgion is a con thread, could you please apply your broad strokes to all the other?

As well, does that mean you support unorganized religion?

[Gunnair]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

Blue_Nose Blue_Nose:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

If you eat undercooked pork and die, is it God's fault or punishment or is it just you not paying attention to some sound advice?

Same as with adultery, if you mess around and there's a price to be paid is it God's fault?

Nope, it's yours.

I was never talking about these natural consequences, I'm talking specifically about going to Hell, purgatory, or whatever it is that one might believe happens to 'sinners' when they die - direct punishment from God himself.

Let me ask you this - according to your own beliefs, what do you presume will happen to me, a reasonably moralistic, caring person, who refuses to believe in any God, much less follow any given religious practice? What's God going to say to me after I die?

"Well, son, this all must be quite the surprise to you, eh*?"

(God is a Canadian. IMHO He lives in Whistler.)

[Arctic_Menace]

God is so totally Canadian.