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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:14 pm
 


How the US stole Guantanamo Bay from Cuba: a cautionary tale



By Kaleem Omar

Following a US federal judge’s ruling rejecting the Bush administration’s arguments that releasing the identities of Guantanamo Bay detainees would "violate the detainees’ privacy", the Pentagon on Friday - after four years of secrecy and obduracy - handed over documents that contain the names of hundreds of detainees held at the US military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The question is: Does the Bush administration really expect the world to believe that the reason why the names of the detainees was being kept secret was to protect their privacy? What will the administration think of next? The mind boggles.

The names were scattered throughout more than 5,000 pages of transcripts of hearings at Guantanamo Bay, but no complete list was given and it was unclear exactly how many names the documents contained.

It is a well-documented fact that the prisoners are held in harsh conditions and have no recourse to the protection of the law because the Bush administration says that since Guantanamo Bay is not US territory, American courts have "no jurisdiction" there.

Since Cuban courts don’t have jurisdiction there either, the prisoners exist in a sort of state of judicial limbo, with nobody they can turn to seek justice. To make matters worse, they continue to be grilled by US intelligence agents and military personnel who reportedly use torture to soften them up.

Cuba has surprisingly come under fire from some quarters for allowing such behaviour on its land. But Cuba has no power over this area of its own soil, as for the last hundred years Guantanamo Bay has been occupied by the United States and is separated from the rest of Cuba by one of the world’s deadliest minefields.

The area known as Guantanamo Bay covers nearly 118 square kilometres of eastern Cuba. It contains two airfields and is home to about 3,000 permanently stationed US military personnel, whilst a further floating population of thousands arrives and departs by air and sea each month.

The annual rent for the leasing of this land is 2,000 gold coins, equal to $ 4,085 (at the 1903 price of gold). This works out to an annual rent of one cent per square metre of land, which the US pays to Cuba by cheque. However, since the Cuban revolution of 1959, which brought Fidel Castro to power, no cheque has ever been cashed.

Since March 1959 Cuba has been demanding that the US return the base and has regularly had resolutions passed at the Non-Aligned Movement calling for the base to be returned - all to no avail.

Cuba was a Spanish colony for several hundred years. In 1898, just as the Cuban patriots’ independence army was about to achieve victory after 30 years of armed struggle against the Spanish Crown, the United States declared war on Spain after the US warship "The Maine" was allegedly torpedoed by the Spanish. "Remember the Maine!" became the US battle cry in a war in which Spain was defeated.

Later that year, rule over Cuba was transferred from Spain to the US at the Treaty of Paris, where no Cubans were present, after then-US President William McKinley had declared: "It wouldn’t be wise to recognise the independence of the Cuban Republic."

However, the Cuban struggle for independence looked likely to begin again, this time against US rule, and in 1901 the US introduced the Platt Amendment. This allowed the US president to hand over rule of the island to the Cuban people, but only after a government and constitution could be established that set out future relations between the two countries.

A major part of the constitution forced the future Cuban government to lease part of its territory to the United States for the establishment of US naval stations. The result was the 1903 Permanent Treaty, which decided that a piece of Cuban land was to be leased to the US. Thus, the naval base at Guantanamo Bay ceased to be a part of Cuban territory in 1903.

Only nine years later, the US imposed another agreement on Cuba, enlarging the size of the US area to what it is now, even though this covered an access channel which had previously been agreed as a shared channel, to ensure "Free trade."

In 1934, faced with the economic hardships of the Great Depression, the US began a so-called "Good Neighbour" policy and signed a Treaty of Reciprocity, which repealed the Platt Amendment and the 1903 Permanent Treaty, but maintained all stipulations concerning Guantanamo. However, at the very time when the treaty was being signed in Washington, over 20 US warships paid so-called "Friendly" visits to various points along the Cuban coast - a case of gunboat diplomacy at its worst.

According to international law expert Professor Alfred de Zayas of the University of British Columbia in Canada, the 1903 treaty that brought about the base at Guantanamo was invalid from the beginning, as it was imposed by force, following the US military occupation of Cuba after the Spanish-American War.

After four years of military rule, the United States decided against a complete annexation of Cuba, and instead imposed a system on it that would give the US political and economic control over the island nation.

The US administration made it clear that there would be no Cuban constitution unless it included the Platt Amendment, which demanded the right for US military intervention in Cuba and a naval base. Initially rejected in Cuba, the Platt Amendment had also been unpopular in the United States. One US senator described it as an "ultimatum to Cuba." The Cuban government had no other alternative but to yield to US pressure and agree to the lease if they wanted to have any form of independence.

The treaty was signed, supposedly granting Cuba independence, but in fact merely transforming it into a quasi-protectorate. Articles 51 and 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties (to which the US is a signatory) say that any treaty signed under coercion is illegal. It could be argued that the Vienna Convention only came into force in 1980, yet international opinion was way ahead of this.

In 1947, Serge Krylov, a judge at the International Court of Justice at the Hague, said that any treaties "by which an imperialist power imposes its will upon a weaker state" are invalid.

The Permanent Treaty may have been binding in 1903 (though even that is highly debatable), but is clearly illegal in the post-colonial age.

After the Second World War, the decolonisation process began in earnest and a new set of norms and principles based around the UN Charter meant that obsolete, unequal, colonial laws were being replaced. It is now a well-established principle that unequal treaties are bad in law.

In the 1970s, the Panamanian ambassador to the United Nations argued against the Panama Canal Treaty, which had created a lease that granted the United States sovereignty over the canal for an unlimited time. The Panamanian position was well-supported. The Peruvian ambassador said the Canal Treaty was "not in the spirit of the age" and the Canadians said it was "part of the old order."

During the discussions on the subject at the UN, the Friendly Relations Resolution of 1970 was used as constituting customary international law. In the case of the Panama Canal, the treaty had become obsolete, due to the creation of a new international order, encapsulated in the norms and principles of the UN. Panama won its case, and control over the canal eventually reverted to Panama, resulting in the hauling down of the US flag and the running up of the Panamanian flag over the Canal Zone.

The irony, however, is that the canal is now operated by a Japanese company, under a management contract with the Panamanian government.

Yet despite many calls from Cuba at the UN for the return of Guantanamo, there has not even been any discussion on the issue, which is hardly in keeping with the UN Charter and its obligation to negotiate disputes.

As if all this were not bad enough, even the terms of the Guantanamo Bay lease have been broken by the United States. The 1903 treaty permits a "base for naval and coaling purposes" and goes on to say that any commercial use would be illegal. But it is well-known that Guantanamo Bay now contains several commercial concessions, including a bowling alley and a fast-food chain.

Other uses have included an internment camp for Haitian refugees in the early 1990s, a logistical base for the US’s regime-changing invasions of Grenada and Panama, numerous acts of provocation against Cuba, as well as its present disgraceful as a prison camp - all of which break the terms of the lease.

More than a year into George W. Bush’s second term as president, the United States remains in illegal possession of the base and says it has no intention of leaving. So much for the US’s commitment to the rule of law.


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Usual regurgitated tripe, eh?

Your author failed to note that although McKinley said "It wouldn’t be wise to recognise the independence of the Cuban Republic." He did just that two years later, something that Spain fought for twenty years.

As far as the situation since 1959, since the United States does not recognize the government of Cuba, it is not under any obligation to honor any treaty obligations to Cuba.

But this is the key point of the article:

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More than a year into George W. Bush’s second term as president, the United States remains in illegal possession of the base and says it has no intention of leaving. So much for the US’s commitment to the rule of law.


"Illegal" my ass.

There is a treaty granting Guantanamo. That is legal.

The mere orbiter dicta that "In 1947, Serge Krylov, a judge at the International Court of Justice at the Hague, said that any treaties "by which an imperialist power imposes its will upon a weaker state" are invalid." Would only make the treaty viodable, not void.

And this "According to international law expert Professor Alfred de Zayas of the University of British Columbia in Canada, the 1903 treaty that brought about the base at Guantanamo was invalid from the beginning, as it was imposed by force, following the US military occupation of Cuba after the Spanish-American War" is ONLY opinion. Just one putative expert's opinion, and not with any kind of binding legal effect.

Ward Churchill, a (now former) professor at University of Colorado, Boulder, (and therefore, a putative expert), said the people who died in the World Trade Center were "little Eichmanns". de Zayas is not necessarily any more credible than Chuirchill, they're just academics with opinions, just like the rest of us.

There's an old line that possession is nine tenths of the law, and although there aren't technically tenths in law, it's still true that possession is a compelling argument for ownership. One that would hold up in any court of law.


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The annual rent for the leasing of this land is 2,000 gold coins, equal to $ 4,085 (at the 1903 price of gold). This works out to an annual rent of one cent per square metre of land, which the US pays to Cuba by cheque. However, since the Cuban revolution of 1959, which brought Fidel Castro to power, no cheque has ever been cashed.


That equals no jurisdiction. Not for Cuba or for the US. The only order in place is the gun, that's it.

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A major part of the constitution forced the future Cuban government to lease part of its territory to the United States for the establishment of US naval stations. The result was the 1903 Permanent Treaty, which decided that a piece of Cuban land was to be leased to the US. Thus, the naval base at Guantanamo Bay ceased to be a part of Cuban territory in 1903.


Can Cuba contest this? If Cuba wants a shooting war with the US and that's the point, Gitmo legal status was never legitimate because the Treaty of Paris was as legal to Cubans as the creation of Israel by the UN in 1948 was legitimate to the people of Palestine. It is only legitimate by the people that made Cuba the playground for the rich while the rest of the country starved. Why else did Castro's revolution succeed and prevail? Magic? It was the will of the people that reacted to being treated like 2nd or 3rd class citizens in their own country for generations because President William McKinley declared: "It wouldn’t be wise to recognize the independence of the Cuban Republic."

Well fine, but then to ignore that for over 100 years and then to demand legitimacy in the legal limbo that is Gitmo has just as much credibility as McKinley invested in to it. If you want to be angry at someone over the legal ambiguity there was 100 years to make it right. 1 January 1959 the people rose up and any Treaty was null and void from that point.

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There's an old line that possession is nine tenths of the law, and although there aren't technically tenths in law, it's still true that possession is a compelling argument for ownership. One that would hold up in any court of law.


So extortion is your idea of justice? Tell me what would happen if Cuba tried to expel Gitmo. What do you think the reaction would be?

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In 1934, faced with the economic hardships of the Great Depression, the US began a so-called "Good Neighbour" policy and signed a Treaty of Reciprocity, which repealed the Platt Amendment and the 1903 Permanent Treaty, but maintained all stipulations concerning Guantanamo. However, at the very time when the treaty was being signed in Washington, over 20 US warships paid so-called "Friendly" visits to various points along the Cuban coast - a case of gunboat diplomacy at its worst.


Some call it gunboat diplomacy, others call it extortion. You seem to think it's legal. If Syria making Lebanon an economic lung is illegitimate what make this any more so?


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The US won the Spanish American war (that'll teach them for blowing up the Maine! Or... having an unrelated coal explosion in a US Battleship which happened to be in their port) Under the law at the time it was a perfectly legal war, and under the law at the time, because the US won, they get to keep the land.

Simple as that.

Unless you care to show me a law circa the late 19th century which made war illegal? Because I can tell you right now that back then countries loved warfare and thus you'll never find it.


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If it was that simple, and I am not contesting that conquest was the rule of law at that time, then why the revolution? The claim on Gitmo is just as legit as the US claims to US companies that had assets in Cuba seized during the uprising. They never got them back and the only reason they still have Gitmo now is because they had an established base of operations there already. Thus the argument of rule of law in respect to US claims on Gitmo has no grounds.

You could argue that the Mariel boatlift and subsequent exodus has undermined the legitimacy of the government in Cuba but they still stand. So who are the US going to pay rent to, the old US hotel owners who got kicked out on their asses?


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The annual rent for the leasing of this land is 2,000 gold coins, equal to $ 4,085 (at the 1903 price of gold). This works out to an annual rent of one cent per square metre of land, which the US pays to Cuba by cheque. However, since the Cuban revolution of 1959, which brought Fidel Castro to power, no cheque has ever been cashed.


That equals no jurisdiction. Not for Cuba or for the US. The only order in place is the gun, that's it.


You write a rent check and the landlord doesn't cash it, that doesn't give him grounds to evict.

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If Cuba wants a shooting war with the US and that's the point, Gitmo legal status was never legitimate because the Treaty of Paris was as legal to Cubans as the creation of Israel by the UN in 1948 was legitimate to the people of Palestine. It is only legitimate by the people that made Cuba the playground for the rich while the rest of the country starved. Why else did Castro's revolution succeed and prevail? Magic?


A revolution in governments does not excuse international obligations.

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It was the will of the people that reacted to being treated like 2nd or 3rd class citizens in their own country for generations because President William McKinley declared: "It wouldn’t be wise to recognize the independence of the Cuban Republic."


Quoting McKinley in this regard is inane, because he did just exactly that in a couple of years. Obviously he did not mean the statement to be a permanent injunction.

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Well fine, but then to ignore that for over 100 years and then to demand legitimacy in the legal limbo that is Gitmo has just as much credibility as McKinley invested in to it. If you want to be angry at someone over the legal ambiguity there was 100 years to make it right. 1 January 1959 the people rose up and any Treaty was null and void from that point.


Again, changing governments does not excuse international obligations. Further you're making it sound as if the revolution was over the 1903 treaty, which it wasn't.

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There's an old line that possession is nine tenths of the law, and although there aren't technically tenths in law, it's still true that possession is a compelling argument for ownership. One that would hold up in any court of law.


So extortion is your idea of justice? Tell me what would happen if Cuba tried to expel Gitmo. What do you think the reaction would be?


A flattened, smoldering Havana.

A bad deal does not invalidate the deal.

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Some call it gunboat diplomacy, others call it extortion. You seem to think it's legal. If Syria making Lebanon an economic lung is illegitimate what make this any more so?


No, I think the question of legal or illegal is beside the point.

I prefer an independent Lebanon, but I wouldn't say the Syrians were morally wrong.

Before all law comes necessity.

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The claim on Gitmo is just as legit as the US claims to US companies that had assets in Cuba seized during the uprising. They never got them back and the only reason they still have Gitmo now is because they had an established base of operations there already. Thus the argument of rule of law in respect to US claims on Gitmo has no grounds.


The claims of pre-revolutionary landlords still remain, and on the collapse of the Castro regime, they will likely be reasserted.


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Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
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$1:
The annual rent for the leasing of this land is 2,000 gold coins, equal to $ 4,085 (at the 1903 price of gold). This works out to an annual rent of one cent per square metre of land, which the US pays to Cuba by cheque. However, since the Cuban revolution of 1959, which brought Fidel Castro to power, no cheque has ever been cashed.


That equals no jurisdiction. Not for Cuba or for the US. The only order in place is the gun, that's it.


You write a rent check and the landlord doesn't cash it, that doesn't give him grounds to evict.


That means the rent is one cent per square metre of land, talk about a sweetheart deal! When did the people of Cuba agree to that? If the US and only the US honors the terms does that mean the Platt amendment is still valid? Cuba is not the landlord here, the US took Gitmo and are paying a penny a metre as a means to justify theft to support US and only US interests. There is no legitimacy to this deal. This is as much of an international obligation to the people of Cuba as they should be paying taxes to the US to use their own land. That is obscene.

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It was the will of the people that reacted to being treated like 2nd or 3rd class citizens in their own country for generations because President William McKinley declared: "It wouldn’t be wise to recognize the independence of the Cuban Republic."


Quoting McKinley in this regard is inane, because he did just exactly that in a couple of years. Obviously he did not mean the statement to be a permanent injunction.


His intent is not this issue. It is the fact that this has been the policy, and a grievous insult to the people of Cuba. Who gains? This is a parasitic relationship that is designed to provoke confrontation in order to justify the current anti-cuban agenda so popular in the US senate. In other words the US has more to gain by inflaming the Cuban people that it does to normalize relations with them and they are using this as a fulcrum to further undermine Cuban sovereignty on their own land.

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Well fine, but then to ignore that for over 100 years and then to demand legitimacy in the legal limbo that is Gitmo has just as much credibility as McKinley invested in to it. If you want to be angry at someone over the legal ambiguity there was 100 years to make it right. 1 January 1959 the people rose up and any Treaty was null and void from that point.


Again, changing governments does not excuse international obligations. Further you're making it sound as if the revolution was over the 1903 treaty, which it wasn't.


No, but I understand your inference. The annulment of the treaty was a consequence of the revolt but was not the Casus belli. A more accurate perspective would be to parallel the German reaction to the peace treaty of Versailles.

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Jaime_Souviens Jaime_Souviens:
There's an old line that possession is nine tenths of the law, and although there aren't technically tenths in law, it's still true that possession is a compelling argument for ownership. One that would hold up in any court of law.


So extortion is your idea of justice? Tell me what would happen if Cuba tried to expel Gitmo. What do you think the reaction would be?


A flattened, smoldering Havana.

A bad deal does not invalidate the deal.


True, but the deal was between parties that have no legitimate claim on the sovereignty of the nation of Cuba. Like getting a diploma from a defunct college, it may be a valid diploma but no one will recognize it.


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I'd say Guantanamo Bay is the only part of the island that has been liberated.


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If it was that simple, and I am not contesting that conquest was the rule of law at that time, then why the revolution? The claim on Gitmo is just as legit as the US claims to US companies that had assets in Cuba seized during the uprising. They never got them back and the only reason they still have Gitmo now is because they had an established base of operations there already. Thus the argument of rule of law in respect to US claims on Gitmo has no grounds.


But the simple fact that the US never lost Guatanamo distinguishes them from the companies which lost their assets. Under common law, the assets which were seized, are, by know, owned by cuba, regardless of whether or not it was a legitimate seizure. But since Cuba never seized Guantanamo, they can't claim it as such. Conversely, since ownership is the main part of ownership the US can claim the same in response, that since the US has owned, maintained and operated for Guantanamo for so long, we in essence, own it.


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Then Gitmo is a conquest in retrospect and the US as invaded Cuba by default. The cheques written since that point are a smokescreen to obfuscate Cuba's claim. Since the US have never entered serious negations over the 'rent' one can assume they have no intent to relinquish their prise.


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Of course the US doesn't intend to give back guantanamo, just as spain isn't getting puerto rico


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Of course the US doesn't intend to give back guantanamo, just as spain isn't getting puerto rico

Nor Mexico, most of South America and any Spanish speaking island in the Carribean.....


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You write a rent check and the landlord doesn't cash it, that doesn't give him grounds to evict.


That means the rent is one cent per square metre of land, talk about a sweetheart deal! When did the people of Cuba agree to that? If the US and only the US honors the terms does that mean the Platt amendment is still valid? Cuba is not the landlord here, the US took Gitmo and are paying a penny a metre as a means to justify theft to support US and only US interests. There is no legitimacy to this deal. This is as much of an international obligation to the people of Cuba as they should be paying taxes to the US to use their own land. That is obscene.


France sold the Mississippi & Missouri basins to the United States for about 2.8 cents an acre. Bad deal, eh? And what claim did France have to the lands of indigenous people?

Do you think they could rightfully claim it back?


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It was the will of the people that reacted to being treated like 2nd or 3rd class citizens in their own country for generations because President William McKinley declared: "It wouldn’t be wise to recognize the independence of the Cuban Republic."


Quoting McKinley in this regard is inane, because he did just exactly that in a couple of years. Obviously he did not mean the statement to be a permanent injunction.


His intent is not this issue. It is the fact that this has been the policy, and a grievous insult to the people of Cuba.



His intent isn't the issue. But nor was that quote a statement of policy. It couldn't have been, as events you admit, prove.

To pretend that was policy is disingenuous.

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Well fine, but then to ignore that for over 100 years and then to demand legitimacy in the legal limbo that is Gitmo has just as much credibility as McKinley invested in to it. If you want to be angry at someone over the legal ambiguity there was 100 years to make it right. 1 January 1959 the people rose up and any Treaty was null and void from that point.


Again, changing governments does not excuse international obligations. Further you're making it sound as if the revolution was over the 1903 treaty, which it wasn't.


No, but I understand your inference. The annulment of the treaty was a consequence of the revolt but was not the Casus belli. A more accurate perspective would be to parallel the German reaction to the peace treaty of Versailles.


The Germans DID want out of the Treaty of Versailles, their change of government WAS in consequence of the Treaty. And even then, they weren't "let out" of the treaty, they had to unilaterally repudiate it.

The 1903 treaty WAS NOT an issue in Castro's revolution, they CAN unilaterally repudiate it, (if they haven't already). That doesn't mean that other parties can't seek to hold them to it.

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True, but the deal was between parties that have no legitimate claim on the sovereignty of the nation of Cuba. Like getting a diploma from a defunct college, it may be a valid diploma but no one will recognize it.


Actually, a degree from a defunct educational institution is still valid and still recognized.


There have been revolutions that have repudiated earlier debts and obligations and those that have not. In most instances, countries that have repudiated have a very difficult time establishing international credit and floating a new currency. In most instances, they enter a period of prolonged economic recession. The conventions of "international law" suggest that new regimes should assume debts and obligations, or they should suffer the consequences.

Debates about Quebec come to mind...


So your claim that 1952 automatically invalidates 1903 is spurious.


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The US should take a leaf out of Britain's book.

You never see us stealing land.


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lol cute ROTFL

I that the taking of Taliban and Al Queda member as unlawful combatants rather then POW was good, but it they are unlawful then they should be charged and given a fair open trial, not shuffled arouond in secret then extradited to Afghanistan.


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