[Thanos]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Sins of the father should not be visited upon the son.

Justin Trudeau is a man in his own right and deserves to be judged by his merits rather then his fathers. Its fundementaly unfair to do otherwise.

He's another wide-eyed dreamer who'd blow the country apart just to build a false utopia. Just like his pappy did.

[HyperionTheEvil]

snuggles61 snuggles61:

Well he broke his promise on scrapping the gun registry and he has no intention of keeping his word,I saw nothing at ALL about that issue this time around.

then the lefties can vote him down anytime

[DerbyX]

Thanos Thanos:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Sins of the father should not be visited upon the son.

Justin Trudeau is a man in his own right and deserves to be judged by his merits rather then his fathers. Its fundementaly unfair to do otherwise.

He's another wide-eyed dreamer who'd blow the country apart just to build a false utopia. Just like his pappy did.

Sure he is sunshine.

Much better to follow the leader of a boring sweater wearing tool unable to win a majority against a guy you all are describing as a nerd.

BTW, Trudeau did build his dream. Canada is a great country in part because of him.

[snuggles61]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

snuggles61 snuggles61:

Well he broke his promise on scrapping the gun registry and he has no intention of keeping his word,I saw nothing at ALL about that issue this time around.

then the lefties can vote him down anytime

Well I'd imagine he went right into the election expecting to obtain a majority and if he doesn't have that type of confidence then quite frankly he's not the right man for the job.Harper will NEVER abolish the gun registry.Why should he?If he can win without doing that then where's the incentive?I do agree with you that the liberals would go full blast and vote against abolishing the registry but the NDP wouldn't,at least that's what their candidates have told me during this campaign and the last one.Now the Bloc..could be tricky,now let's be honest..what's their agenda other than to look after Quebec and the hell with the rest of Canada.Would not that two billion dollars wasted on the registry be more excessible to Quebec if it wasn't tied up in a program that's been proven useless so I'd be inclined to think the Bloc would oppose it.Just food for thought anyways.

[HyperionTheEvil]

snuggles61 snuggles61:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

snuggles61 snuggles61:

Well he broke his promise on scrapping the gun registry and he has no intention of keeping his word,I saw nothing at ALL about that issue this time around.

then the lefties can vote him down anytime

Well I'd imagine he went right into the election expecting to obtain a majority and if he doesn't have that type of confidence then quite frankly he's not the right man for the job.Harper will NEVER abolish the gun registry.Why should he?If he can win without doing that then where's the incentive?I do agree with you that the liberals would go full blast and vote against abolishing the registry but the NDP wouldn't,at least that's what their candidates have told me during this campaign and the last one.Now the Bloc..could be tricky,now let's be honest..what's their agenda other than to look after Quebec and the hell with the rest of Canada.Would not that two billion dollars wasted on the registry be more excessible to Quebec if it wasn't tied up in a program that's been proven useless so I'd be inclined to think the Bloc would oppose it.Just food for thought anyways.

Derby

Pick any policy the government puts forward they want. The can takes thier chances with the electorate again. It's a free country and the left can vote as they choose. Presumambly with their principles.

So my answer for all the spin that the left puts out about how bad Harper and the CPC is and how bad this polcy ot that is terrible. Then just do it. But as i said what's more likely they will cower, back, or in the current Vernacular 'abstain'

The CPC is the government and they will put forward legilation and the Left will have decide to stick with thier pricinples or go for more expdiency sit back and do nothing

[DerbyX]

Wrong person sunshine.

[DerbyX]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Derby

Pick any policy the government puts forward they want. The can takes thier chances with the electorate again. It's a free country and the left can vote as they choose. Presumambly with their principles.

So my answer for all the spin that the left puts out about how bad Harper and the CPC is and how bad this polcy ot that is terrible. Then just do it. But as i said what's more likely they will cower, back, or in the current Vernacular 'abstain'

The CPC is the government and they will put forward legilation and the Left will have decide to stick with thier pricinples or go for more expdiency sit back and do nothing

I'll answer anyway.

This is exactly the arrogance you people claim the Liberals had.

Fuck the voters, we will push through our agenda regardless and to hell with what the electorate thinks.

You care nothing for compromise which is the essence of a minority govt and care nothing for the laughing stock we will become having a 4th election in 5 years. The rest of the world would be rightfully laughing at us.

You are a sorry excuse for a person and without even the basic knowledge it requires real people to make society work. A few buzz words and some outlandish bravado that fades the moment things get tough.

If Harper wants to force the opposition to topple his govt then so be it.

It will be his responsibility and he will be held accountable by the voting public.

[HyperionTheEvil]

DerbyX DerbyX:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Derby

Pick any policy the government puts forward they want. The can takes thier chances with the electorate again. It's a free country and the left can vote as they choose. Presumambly with their principles.

So my answer for all the spin that the left puts out about how bad Harper and the CPC is and how bad this polcy ot that is terrible. Then just do it. But as i said what's more likely they will cower, back, or in the current Vernacular 'abstain'

The CPC is the government and they will put forward legilation and the Left will have decide to stick with thier pricinples or go for more expdiency sit back and do nothing

I'll answer anyway.

This is exactly the arrogance you people claim the Liberals had.

Fuck the voters, we will push through our agenda regardless and to hell with what the electorate thinks.

You care nothing for compromise which is the essence of a minority govt and care nothing for the laughing stock we will become having a 4th election in 5 years. The rest of the world would be rightfully laughing at us.

You are a sorry excuse for a person and without even the basic knowledge it requires real people to make society work. A few buzz words and some outlandish bravado that fades the moment things get tough.

If Harper wants to force the opposition to topple his govt then so be it.

It will be his responsibility and he will be held accountable by the voting public.

You using the word arrogant to desribe someone else is akin to pot point out how nasty the kettle is

The CPC is the governing party, the Left just had thier chance and they couldn't convince enough voters to give them a government. So even after the election it may come to be a surprise that the Liberals are still not a governing party. So really it's up the the left if they want to work with the CPC. More canadians approved of what they did in the last two years to give them more seats so it seems that the CPC has convinced more people to put there trust in them.Too bad thats how elections work, pay your nickel and take your chances. The left lost in every way that mattered execept one.

At any time they can topple the government, pick any piece of legislation that comes down the pike and mad a vote of non-confidence. No one said you had to like, as and extreme example of the left I imagine you hate it. Too bad again

And the Harper government can't 'make' you do anything, he hasn't been making the left vote with his legisialtion for nigh on two years, they did that of thier own free will. The Liberal and other Parties presumambly have some principles somewhere. So when and if they make a decison to make a non-confidence vote they can any time and take it to the voters to see if Canadians agree with them.

So as i said the left has two choices , vote with the CPC or topple the government. Anything else is simply avoiding the problem

P.S.

And once again you provide the shining example of what i like to see in the Liberal/NDP poster. Vulgar and without a point. Please post more

[DerbyX]

$1:

You using the word arrogant to desribe someone else is akin to pot point out how nasty the kettle is

Take a good look around the board sunshine. Loads of cons I get along with and that due to my charming personality and of course my ability to debate fairly.

You OTOH have a reputation for being a hysterical right wing fanatic devoid of any ability to post any logical thoughts.

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The CPC is the governing party, the Left just had thier chance and they couldn't convince enough voters to give them a government. So even after the election it may come to be a surprise that the Liberals are still not a governing party. So really it's up the the left if they want to work with the CPC. More canadians approved of what they did in the last two years to give them more seats so it seems that the CPC has convinced more people to put there trust in them.Too bad thats how elections work, pay your nickel and take your chances. The left lost in every way that mattered execept one.

Funny, when Mr Martin was in charge of a media it was Harper demanding he act like he has a minority and that he work with the opposition parties. That is until Martin made deals with the NDP then he accused him of not leading the country like he should.

All you con hacks said the same thing.

A minority means that the voters said that they don't trust the CPC to govern with a majority and that he will have to seek support from another party.

What that means sunshine is that since Harper is the person who has to enact policy by putting forth proposals to be supported its his responsibility to tailor that proposal to meet the criteria of whatever party he needs support from. He gives something to the other party in exchange for their support.

That is how Canada's democratic system should and needs to work in a minority situation. It does not surprise me you cannot understand this. It does surprise me you can even read this though.

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At any time they can topple the government, pick any piece of legislation that comes down the pike and mad a vote of non-confidence. No one said you had to like, as and extreme example of the left I imagine you hate it. Too bad again

See what I mean. The idea of fair compromise and working togeather are utterly lost on you. All you see is harper trying to ram down whatever agenda he pleases while daring the opposition to put him down.

Thats arrogance and stupidity all in one.

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And the Harper government can't 'make' you do anything, he hasn't been making the left vote with his legisialtion for nigh on two years, they did that of thier own free will. The Liberal and other Parties presumambly have some principles somewhere. So when and if they make a decison to make a non-confidence vote they can any time and take it to the voters to see if Canadians agree with them.

Principles? People without principles shouldn't attack others for their. That leaves you on the riverbank watching the fish jump from afar sunshine.

$1:

So as i said the left has two choices , vote with the CPC or topple the government. Anything else is simply avoiding the problem

Exactly the reason why you and your arrogant party should be sent back to the minors to let responsible govt govern.

I like to save that conservatives are like fire and water. They make good servants but bad masters.

Off you go now sunshine.

[HyperionTheEvil]

DerbyX DerbyX:

[Take a good look around the board sunshine. Loads of cons I get along with and that due to my charming personality and of course my ability to debate fairly.

You OTOH have a reputation for being a hysterical right wing fanatic devoid of any ability to post any logical thoughts.

Funny, when Mr Martin was in charge of a media it was Harper demanding he act like he has a minority and that he work with the opposition parties. That is until Martin made deals with the NDP then he accused him of not leading the country like he should.

All you con hacks said the same thing.

A minority means that the voters said that they don't trust the CPC to govern with a majority and that he will have to seek support from another party.

What that means sunshine is that since Harper is the person who has to enact policy by putting forth proposals to be supported its his responsibility to tailor that proposal to meet the criteria of whatever party he needs support from. He gives something to the other party in exchange for their support.

It does not surprise me you cannot understand this. It does surprise me you can even read this though.

See what I mean. The idea of fair compromise and working togeather are utterly lost on you. All you see is harper trying to ram down whatever agenda he pleases while daring the opposition to put him down.

Thats arrogance and stupidity all in one.

$1:

And the Harper government can't 'make' you do anything, he hasn't been making the left vote with his legisialtion for nigh on two years, they did that of thier own free will. The Liberal and other Parties presumambly have some principles somewhere. So when and if they make a decison to make a non-confidence vote they can any time and take it to the voters to see if Canadians agree with them.

Principles? People without principles shouldn't attack others for their. That leaves you on the riverbank watching the fish jump from afar sunshine.

$1:

So as i said the left has two choices , vote with the CPC or topple the government. Anything else is simply avoiding the problem

Exactly the reason why you and your arrogant party should be sent back to the minors to let responsible govt govern.

I like to save that conservatives are like fire and water. They make good servants but bad masters.

Off you go now sunshine.

I know of you debaing tactic and your selctive use of the word "proof" and "truth"

A Right wing extremist who beleives and supports gin control, abortion rights, gay marriage , free post secondary education. Youre having those long term memory issues again because i have posted all of these things here multiple times. You may want to be a bit more careful about that, it's for you into trouble on more than one occasion and if i recall corectly you been banned a couple of times

Welcome to politcs, i dont remember back the The liberals wanting porpoatinal representation either son.

If I was a con you might be right, but im not, and you're still wrong with those blanket generaliztions that you like to accuse other people making

On the contrary, from you going to the lowest common denominator of lagauage "fuck" and your insults merely highlight that it yourself that is very angry about the Liberals loss. But also as i said the more you post like this the more people vote CPC, as trends would indicate it seems


It's also higly ironic that you say this

$1:

The idea of fair compromise and working togeather are utterly lost on you

then this

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I like to save that conservatives are like fire and water. They make good servants but bad masters.

You call for compromise then inidcate that the CPC should be in a subservient pesition, indicating that the Liberals are somehow more worthy of governing?


But my original point stands. Much of what you have posted here OT that it is. Now. that the Left is now having to make the choice to stand with what they believe. Vote the government down and go to the voters. Or vote with the CPC. Whether you like it or not that is the reality. The left will gnash thier teeth about how wrong this is and how Harper shoud talior thing for the Left. The CPC is not a left party it is the Centrist party in Canada and the Libs/NDP and Bloc have to figure out how they will either work with the government, abastain for another two years or go to an election.

[Saskanna]

$1:

The CPC is not a left party it is the Centrist party in Canada and the Libs/NDP and Bloc have to figure out how they will either work with the government, abastain for another two years or go to an election

Well said. That's exactly where we are. The Liberals are in tatters and still having trouble believing that they've been bested at the ballot box.
Their wonderful new leader who was touted as Canada's saviour during the election campaign, now is not even good enough to lead the Party into a second election.

Liberal policy, for as long as I can remember, was to give ALL newly elected leaders a second chance. Turner got two kicks at the cat. Where's Dion's second chance? After all, it isn't as if he lost his own seat. He was returned as MP in his constituency. He deserves a second go around at the helm. True Liberals would be hollering for that amount of respect for a duly elected leader.

[hurley_108]

uwish uwish:

ok lets spin this another way

your liberal leader managed to drive the liberal votes / mps to it's lowest point in Canadian history. Including losses in Ont, BC. The liberal seats is down by what? 19 CPC up by 16?

MY Liberal leader? Nope. But my point is that the CPC are up by only 16, not the 28 they needed to win a majority, or more, even with the disastrous Dion at the Liberal helm.

[DerbyX]

$1:

I know of you debaing tactic and your selctive use of the word "proof" and "truth"

Thats right. I use proof and truth as opposed to your lies and innuendo.

$1:

A Right wing extremist who beleives and supports gin control, abortion rights, gay marriage , free post secondary education. Youre having those long term memory issues again because i have posted all of these things here multiple times. You may want to be a bit more careful about that, it's for you into trouble on more than one occasion and if i recall corectly you been banned a couple of times

What no whiskey and vodka control too?

Nope, you are not correct about me being banned sunshine. You OTOH, well it wasn't needed. You went off all by your lonesome.

$1:

Welcome to politcs, i dont remember back the The liberals wanting porpoatinal representation either son.

I didn't say they did. I didn't say I did. I do know that its favoured by alot of NDP and Green types as well as the fringe groups. If Liberals do oppose it then the oppose it under the same banner as do the CPC.

$1:

If I was a con you might be right, but im not, and you're still wrong with those blanket generaliztions that you like to accuse other people making

You supporting the CPC makes you a con in my books sunshine because thats what I mean when I say con.

$1:

On the contrary, from you going to the lowest common denominator of lagauage "fuck" and your insults merely highlight that it yourself that is very angry about the Liberals loss. But also as i said the more you post like this the more people vote CPC, as trends would indicate it seems

Dissapointed yes, angry no. You might be angry they didn't win a majority though.

BTW, you might want to look at alot of my posts where I get agreements from both sides of the political spectrum including a few hard core anti-Liberals.

You however are another story altogeather and it isn't a best seller by any means. You are prone to hysterics and extremists views and throw a petulant fir whenever anybody dares to hold an opinion other then yours which is entirely why you came out of the blue and inflicted yourself on me. Seeing as you are a joke I don't feel the need to bring my A game to you. The D material will suffice.

$1:

You call for compromise then inidcate that the CPC should be in a subservient pesition, indicating that the Liberals are somehow more worthy of governing?

You can't even understand the A game quotes anyway. Servants means serving the electorate rather then ruling them and that means making deals to make govt work.

$1:

But my original point stands. Much of what you have posted here OT that it is. Now. that the Left is now having to make the choice to stand with what they believe. Vote the government down and go to the voters. Or vote with the CPC. Whether you like it or not that is the reality. The left will gnash thier teeth about how wrong this is and how Harper shoud talior thing for the Left. The CPC is not a left party it is the Centrist party in Canada and the Libs/NDP and Bloc have to figure out how they will either work with the government, abastain for another two years or go to an election.

You make my points for me. Fair dealing and compromise are foreign to you.

BTW, I don't say Harper should "tailor" it for the "left". If you could actually read my words and understand them above a grade 6 level you would have realize that I said Harpers neeeds to present proposals that give a little to the party he wants support from. In other words he decides which party offers the compromises he likes best and makes that deal.

Harper is still running the show in that he gets to pick and choose which party to deal with and the other parties might end up asking for only a little seeing as they are in competition.

As long as Harper thinks like you then we have bad govt.

Bad starcraft bad.

[fifeboy]

DerbyX DerbyX:

BTW, Trudeau did build his dream. Canada is a great country in part because of him.

[ridenrain]

DerbyX DerbyX:

ridenrain ridenrain:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Sins of the father should not be visited upon the son.

Justin Trudeau is a man in his own right and deserves to be judged by his merits rather then his fathers. Its fundementaly unfair to do otherwise.

On face value, I agree with that but little Skippy always keeps reminding us of their deep and undying love for castro and other such lefty icons. That won't play these days.

So far his only proven qualification is the ability to buy a membership and his last name.

In other words you would agree with my philosophy if he weren't a Liberal.

I don't you know anything about him or have the faintest idea about his political career and are just assuming he is riding daddies coat tails.

In fact he so far seems a very bright and personable young man with the ability for flair his father showed.

No Derby. My main dislike of the man was that gushing and revolting POS he wrote about Castro. It reminded me how the fruit dosen't fall far from the tree. While the folks who adore Trudeau say that's good, those of us who dilike him call that bad. The bottom line is there are far more qualified people who have done far more for the party that should be considered first.

This is an aside though because I'd rather read HyperionTheEvi kicking you're ass.