[DerbyX]

ridenrain ridenrain:

No Derby. My main dislike of the man was that gushing and revolting POS he wrote about Castro. It reminded me how the fruit dosen't fall far from the tree. While the folks who adore Trudeau say that's good, those of us who dilike him call that bad. The bottom line is there are far more qualified people who have done far more for the party that should be considered first.

This is an aside though because I'd rather read HyperionTheEvi kicking you're ass.

Please. I would have already gotten rep points if I hadn't turned it off.

Starcraft has nothing but the same tired rhetoric that I've defeated many times in the past much like your shite that met a similiar fate. Perhaps you can share methods of licking your wounds.

Whatever spin you might want to put on your insane hatred of one of Canada's greatest PMs you are simply blaming the son for the fathers actions.

You know nothing about the man as revealed by your disgusting thread about him hallucinating over comments anybody with a dead parent have said.

He is certainly far more qualified then you, somebody who sits at home and simply snipes at everybody else rather then actually getting off your ass and puting your action where your words are.

Think politicians are corrupt in a way you wouldn't be? Run for office but as long as you think like that and sit on the sidelines you are the problem and not the solution.

[dino_bobba_renno]

I realize that some in Canada just gush over the thought of PET but at the same time there are just as many who hate him. For some reason this is never considered by the people who talk of him as the greatest Prime Minister. How can anyone who is that contentious even be considered the greatest?

[DerbyX]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I realize that some in Canada just gush over the thought of PET but at the same time there are just as many who hate him. For some reason this is never considered by the people who talk of him as the greatest Prime Minister. How can anyone who is that contentious even be considered the greatest?

Who is free from controversey? Don Cherry?

What about US republicans taling about JFK?

The fact is the man was a statesmen, one of the best we ever had. He dealt with the FLQ wonderfully and delivered some of the most famous quotes in our history. "just watch me". Hell, it was exactly the kind of hard-line approach favoured by some of the people on this very forum.

Aside from Wayne Gretzky who do we have the brides the political divide in terms of respect?

Perhaps Pearson & Diefenbaker but people looked at political leaders with alot more respect then we do now.

[dino_bobba_renno]

DerbyX DerbyX:

Who is free from controversey? Don Cherry?

What about US republicans taling about JFK?

The fact is the man was a statesmen, one of the best we ever had. He dealt with the FLQ wonderfully and delivered some of the most famous quotes in our history. "just watch me". Hell, it was exactly the kind of hard-line approach favoured by some of the people on this very forum.

Aside from Wayne Gretzky who do we have the brides the political divide in terms of respect?

Perhaps Pearson & Diefenbaker but people looked at political leaders with alot more respect then we do now.

Don Cherry is a Saint, how dare you even mention his name in vain.

Derb, PET did have a lot of admirable qualities but there were also just as many bad qualities about the man as well. Talk to people across the country, for everyone person who likes the guy there is at least one person who hates him (if not more). And we're not just talking about people disliking him, I really do mean "hate". There are others who are far more deserving when it comes to the topic of "the greatest PM".

[DerbyX]

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Who is free from controversey? Don Cherry?

What about US republicans taling about JFK?

The fact is the man was a statesmen, one of the best we ever had. He dealt with the FLQ wonderfully and delivered some of the most famous quotes in our history. "just watch me". Hell, it was exactly the kind of hard-line approach favoured by some of the people on this very forum.

Aside from Wayne Gretzky who do we have the brides the political divide in terms of respect?

Perhaps Pearson & Diefenbaker but people looked at political leaders with alot more respect then we do now.

Don Cherry is a Saint, how dare you even mention his name in vain.

Derb, PET did have a lot of admirable qualities but there were also just as many bad qualities about the man as well. Talk to people across the country, for everyone person who likes the guy there is at least one person who hates him (if not more). And we're not just talking about people disliking him, I really do mean "hate". There are others who are far more deserving when it comes to the topic of "the greatest PM".

The essence of a great man often inspirs hate.

Take morgentaller. To some he is a baby killing fiend. To others a saviour who fought for their rights and went to jail to do it.

Can you think of a PM that we can all agree on was great? We need to go back before our grandfathers were born. Sir John A perhaps but he too was hated by large portions of the country too.

[dino_bobba_renno]

DerbyX DerbyX:

dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

DerbyX DerbyX:

Who is free from controversey? Don Cherry?

What about US republicans taling about JFK?

The fact is the man was a statesmen, one of the best we ever had. He dealt with the FLQ wonderfully and delivered some of the most famous quotes in our history. "just watch me". Hell, it was exactly the kind of hard-line approach favoured by some of the people on this very forum.

Aside from Wayne Gretzky who do we have the brides the political divide in terms of respect?

Perhaps Pearson & Diefenbaker but people looked at political leaders with alot more respect then we do now.

Don Cherry is a Saint, how dare you even mention his name in vain.

Derb, PET did have a lot of admirable qualities but there were also just as many bad qualities about the man as well. Talk to people across the country, for everyone person who likes the guy there is at least one person who hates him (if not more). And we're not just talking about people disliking him, I really do mean "hate". There are others who are far more deserving when it comes to the topic of "the greatest PM".

The essence of a great man often inspirs hate.

Take morgentaller. To some he is a baby killing fiend. To others a saviour who fought for their rights and went to jail to do it.

Can you think of a PM that we can all agree on was great? We need to go back before our grandfathers were born. Sir John A perhaps but he too was hated by large portions of the country too.

I guess Harper is out of the question, eh?

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dino_bobba_renno dino_bobba_renno:

I guess Harper is out of the question, eh?

That depends. lets say he wins a majority and does all those right wing things like banning abortion and SSM. Cuts funding to welfare to fund the military more. Sells water to the US to buy carriers and sells our childrens organs for money (heh).

lets just say he enacts very conservative policies into law, policies opposed by loads of us. later on he gets the OoC and some Canadians call him a great PM for sticking to his beliefs.

Does my thinking otherwise change their opinion in the least?

[Freakinoldguy]

DerbyX DerbyX:

The voters have spoken. The country has decided that no one political party has the nuts to rule with a majority. The onus is now on Harper to make compromises on his platform in order to get support. The onus is on the oppositions to support the modified platform because the have even less public support.

For the time being the days of majority governments are past and given the polarization of the Canadian population, we'll be seeing more and more minority governments.

You are absolutely right about working together, for the benefit of the country, rather than playing partisan politics. If not, I think we're headed for a period of government that'll make Italian politics in the 1960's look stable.

[bootlegga]

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

The CPC is the governing party, the Left just had thier chance and they couldn't convince enough voters to give them a government.

That's why Harper got his minority right? Why 51% of voters chose the Conservative party?



In fact, as usual, more voters voted left than right.

[HyperionTheEvil]

$1:

BTW, I don't say Harper should "tailor" it for the "left". If you could actually read my words and understand them above a grade 6 level you would have realize that I said Harpers neeeds to present proposals that give a little to the party he wants support from. In other words he decides which party offers the compromises he likes best and makes that deal.

Harper is still running the show in that he gets to pick and choose which party to deal with and the other parties might end up asking for only a little seeing as they are in competition.

Since most of your post had no other real new information ill focus on your conculsion.

Harper and his government will create legilsation that they believe that will benefit Canada. Your call to appeal to other parties flies in the face of what the reality is with the new Parliment. Does the CPC have a majority- no, Does the left have a enough seats to bring down the government if those polices don't match up with theor respective parties principles, and for some reason you seem to have an issue with this. The current government is a CPC government which is a centrist party and ran a program with thier programs and prinicples in mind.

There have many occasions in the last two years where the Government gave the opportunity to the left to make a stand for thier own beliefs and take toee government down. It's now a question as to whether the Libral/NDP/ Bloc will do just that, or go back to a system of 'abstaining' again

Tossing out insults doesnt make your case any stronger Derby, You can tell me to get on my bike et,al but it doesnt change the fact that the CPC is in the position of satying true to thier principles for the last two years and essentially letting the left decided if the Canadian public believe strongly enough in the left to vote them in, which a non-confidence might bring about.

Over the next year or two it is now a test of the Left as to whether thier willing to compromise themselves more , in order to avoid an election. Or to see whether Canada actually thing the Left can manage to country.

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HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Tossing out insults doesnt make your case any stronger Derby

I've already successfully dealt with the rest of your garbage and you are just restating a losing position again ana again so I'll deal with this.

You appeared out of the blue and launched insults at me. You got what you deserved.

'nuff said.

[HyperionTheEvil]

DerbyX DerbyX:

HyperionTheEvil HyperionTheEvil:

Tossing out insults doesnt make your case any stronger Derby

I've already successfully dealt with the rest of your garbage and you are just restating a losing position again ana again so I'll deal with this.

You appeared out of the blue and launched insults at me. You got what you deserved.

'nuff said.

Hardly, and since you we're unwilling or unable to pose a response to my post it seems reasonable to conclude that you don't have one.

[StuntmanMike]

$1:

Hurley 108

MY Liberal leader? Nope. But my point is that the CPC are up by only 16, not the 28 they needed to win a majority, or more, even with the disastrous Dion at the Liberal helm.

Good point. The Conservatives should have done alot better considering the fact they are facing the weakest, most ineffectual Liberal party ever. The CPC just can't seem to break through in urban Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal.

That said, they can fairly claim to be the most representative party in the country, having won a significant number of seats in every province except Newfoundland. No other party can claim that.

[StuntmanMike]

$1:

Derby
Aside from Wayne Gretzky who do we have the brides the political divide in terms of respect?

You're right, we don't seem to. At least not in contemporary politics. But Trudeau certainly doesn't come close to that either. Far from being seen as a statesman, he's actually the subject of derision in many parts of the country. Not just in Con circles either.

In Quebec, off the Island of Montreal, the name Trudeau evokes an almost visceral response. Same goes for most of the west. Most rural Ontarians don't recall him fondly either.

That said, he was an interesting character. He caused this country more harm than good, through his disastarous deficit spending, emasculation of the military, expansion of the nanny state, and divide and conquer politics that pitted many regions of the country against one another.

But, he did deal firmly with the FLQ, was a captivating speaker and deep thinker. He also had a vision of the country which, for better or worse, was broad and far reaching.

Justin may become an interesting leader someday in his own right, but I think you're jumping the gun a bit by giving him so much credit right off the bat. He needs to earn his stripes in Question Period, prove himself capable of the nuts and bolts fundraising, coalition building etc of political life, and do his time before he'll be anything more than a lightweight with a good pedigree.

[ridenrain]

StuntmanMike StuntmanMike:

Good point. The Conservatives should have done alot better considering the fact they are facing the weakest, most ineffectual Liberal party ever. The CPC just can't seem to break through in urban Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal.

That said, they can fairly claim to be the most representative party in the country, having won a significant number of seats in every province except Newfoundland. No other party can claim that.

You might want to reconsider that comment reguarding Vancouver. The riding of Ujjal Dosanjh is being re-counted because there's only 33 votes difference. Sukh Dhaliwal also didn't win with any solid autority either. Both of these guys had a hard time winning back their ridings. The only Lib that held on with authority was Hedy Fry who has been there since BC entered confederation and is unlikely to run again.

It's pretty clear that the Libs are losing BC to the NDP and the CPC.